The fact that Kyrie, and not Horford, MVP talk has emerged from the Celtics hot start proves the NBA commentariat have goldfish brains.
凱爾特人開局強勢，而關於凱裡 - 歐文——而不是艾爾 - 霍弗德——的 MVP 呼聲日益高漲。這正說明瞭 NBA 的評論員們有多麼健忘。
You could not convince me that the vine-worthy handles Kyrie has broken out on occasion this season is not the prime reason for his being hyped in lieu of Horford's. Also the LeBron defection angle of the story. Also we've been conditioned to think Al Horford is just okay.
個人認為，歐文這賽季的偶爾的幾次花哨個人表演就是大傢討論他多過霍弗德的主要原因。
當然，脫離詹姆斯自己扛起大旗這個劇本也很有市場。更何況，我們已經習慣性的認為霍弗德隻是【還可以】罷瞭。
Kyrie as the vaunted offensive superstar is putting up 20.3/3.2/5.3 on 42.9/31.9/88.1 splits ( borderline all star numbers imo ) and while his defense is appreciably better he is not nearly the impact defender Horford is, even relative to his position.
Meanwhile Al is ho-humming along with 15.5/9/4.4 on 58/44.4/83.8 and defense that has inspired a DPOY campaign.
以超強進攻能力著稱的歐文，本賽季場均以 42.9/31.9/88.1 的三項命中率拿下 20.3 分 3.2 板 5.3 助攻（在我看來這就是全明星門檻的數據）。盡管他的防守已經有瞭十足的進步，他和霍弗德在防守端的作用還差得遠，即使是和聯盟中的其他控衛相比，他也不算是出色的防守者。
與此同時，霍弗德不溫不火地以 58/44.4/83.8 的三項命中率得到 15.5 分 9 板 4.4 助攻，並且已經成為瞭 DPOY 的有力競爭者。
Cmon folks
It's a phenomenon in every sport, most obviously with all star teams, where the reputation of teams and players can't be unseated and perceptions are altered in real time to create convenient narratives. It's just still sad whenever I see it
拜托啊兄弟們。
每項運動都有這種現象，在明星雲集的隊裡尤其如此。這種隊伍裡面，球隊和球員的名聲從來不會定論，為瞭制造話題，對他們的看法每天都在改變。我每次看到這種現象都覺得很悲哀啊。
[ – ] CelticsMikeOB2 95 指標 8 小時前
Narrative is the only reason, Al Horford has truly been our most valuable player, but the dude gets no love
凱爾特人球迷：就是因為缺乏話題性啊。霍弗德真的是我們的心中的 MVP，但是就是沒人關註他。
[ – ] Pelicanserldn123 2063 指標 13 小時前
It's basketball......
Flashy highlights, reputation, "closer/clutch" > All round actual impact
Horford has been their best player, but in fairness neither is in real MVP talks.
這就是籃球。。。
高光集錦，聲望，" 絕殺球 " 高過在場上的實際作用
霍弗德一直是他們的最佳球員，但是說句公道話，他和歐文得 MVP 的可能性都不大。
[ – ] RaptorsKluey 1359 指標 12 小時前
but in fairness neither is in real MVP talks.
Brad Stevens for Coach of the Year would be the fairest assessment from Celtics so far.
" 說句公道話，他和歐文得 MVP 的可能性都不大 "。
就目前來講，將最佳教練頒給佈拉德 - 史蒂文斯算是對凱爾特人最公道的評析瞭。
[ – ] Bucksthisishorsepoop 267 指標 13 小時前
People are trying to force Kyrie into the MVP conversation more and more.
人們都在強行給歐文戴上 MVP 候選人的帽子。
[ – ] [ DAL ] Yi Jianlianjackmakesblackjacks 172 指標 12 小時前 *
If they have the best record in the nba and harden gets robbed again I'm done with the media
如果凱爾特人拿下聯盟第一，詹姆斯 - 哈登再次被搶走 MVP，媒體以後在我心中的地位就是零。
[ – ] Bulls_Flashpoint_ 55 指標 13 小時前
The team does well even when he has no impact offensively. Or just shoots poorly. They won 2? Without him might have been only 1 Not sure.
就算歐文進攻端作用平平或者手感稀爛，凱爾特人也打的很出色。他們贏瞭兩分？沒有歐文可能會贏一分吧。
[ – ] CelticsCoop1534 95 指標 12 小時前
Right when he got taken out yesterday we went on a 17-0 run
凱爾特人球迷：沒毛病，打勇士那場歐文下場休息的時候，我們打出瞭 17-0 的高潮。
[ – ] [ BOS ] Gary PaytonVacumpencil 64 指標 11 小時前
It was Marcus "Fuck /r/NBA" Smart in.
How the fuck is Kyrie considered an MVP candidate?
凱爾特人球迷：那是因為馬庫斯 - 去 TM 的濕乎乎 - 斯瑪特上場瞭。
憑什麼 MVP 候選人是歐文？
[ – ] CelticsJimboujee 117 指標 13 小時前
Which is bullshit
Kyrie only has storylines leading his case
His overall impact is great but he's not even top 3 in MVP race
凱爾特人球迷：所以說扯淡啊，歐文有的就是他那些故事背景。
他的總體作用很重要，但是連 MVP 前三都進不去。
[ – ] Knicksjoeyoeyoey 94 指標 12 小時前
Not even top 10 imo. 20 points on 42/31 isn't exactly mvp numbers anymore. Maybe back in like, 2004
我覺得前十都進不去。42/31 的命中率拿 20 分就能奪 MVP？醒醒吧。現在不是 2004 年瞭。
[ – ] [ POR ] Brandon Royjaesuk97 121 指標 11 小時前
2004 MVP put up 24/14/5/1.5/2.2
Kyrie's current numbers were never MVP numbers.
2004 年 MVP 加內特當年場均砍下 24 分 14 板 5 助攻 1.5 搶斷 2.2 蓋帽
歐文現在的數據放在哪個年代都跟 MVP 扯不上關系。
[ – ] [ BOS ] Jayson TatumMrMojo18 44 指標 10 小時前
Mah man KG.
凱爾特人球迷：我的大 KG 啊
[ – ] Timberwolvesright_foot 62 指標 10 小時前
Our man KG
森林狼球迷：是我們的大 KG 啊
[ – ] Heatsnakewithgun 806 指標 13 小時前
neither are putting up mvp worthy stats.
歐文和霍弗德都沒有拿到可以競爭 MVP 的數據
[ – ] BeardedAsian 128 指標 10 小時前
Agreed. The argument for Kyrie is foolish if he's not getting stats.
James Harden got stats AND wins last year but Russ won cause he got extreme stats.
Kyrie getting MVP for wins and not stats makes no sense.
同意。歐文的數據要是提不上來，還吹他能拿 MVP 的就是球盲。
去年的哈登不僅數據爆炸，戰績也是聯盟前三，但是威少憑著更牛逼的數據 -- 場均三雙拿下 MVP。
歐文沒有爆炸的數據，僅憑戰績拿 MVP？我覺得不行。
[ – ] CelticsSandovals_Belt 121 指標 12 小時前 *
Al's only playing 32.1 MPG and Kyrie is playing 31.1
Kyrie hasn't been shooting well either, and Al's game just isn't suitable for a realistic MVP run
Edit: People in the Garden aren't chanting MVP because they're stumping for him to win the award, it's to let the guy ( IT, Kyrie, Al ) know how important they are to the team. They may not have a shot at it but C's fans are gonna let them know that we recognize that they're the engine running the team and that we appreciate that.
凱爾特人球迷：霍弗德每場隻打 32.1 分鐘，歐文隻打 31.1 分鐘。
而且歐文的投籃這一段時間的投籃手感也不咋地。至於霍弗德，他的比賽風格就導致他幾乎沒可能對 MVP 發起沖擊。
註：凱爾特人主場球迷高喊 MVP 不是因為他們敦促球員真的去贏得這個獎，而是想讓球員（小托馬斯，歐文，霍弗德）知道他們對於球隊有多重要。這些球員可能很難拿到 MVP，但是凱蜜們會讓他們知道，他們就是球隊的引擎，球迷們喜愛他們。
[ – ] Celticsmcb25 123 指標 13 小時前
Putting Horford in MVP talks is also evidence of goldfish brain. But at the same time it's also evidence of lion heart and a healthy appreciation for sexy eye lashes so you could do a lot worse.
凱爾特人球迷：把霍弗德放進 MVP 討論也是健忘的體現啊。但是這也體現瞭雄心以及對霍弗德性感的睫毛的欣賞，所以，未嘗不可呀。
[ – ] Hawksmanwithapanandaranch 141 指標 12 小時前 *
Here's all of the Celtics' starters Net Ratings:
+15.3: Al Horford
+15.0: Jaylen Brown
+11.9: Marcus Smart
-1.0: Kyrie Irving
-3.8: Jayson Tatum
EDIT: The 5 Celtics with the most minutes played
這是凱爾特人五名首發的凈效率值：
+15.3: 艾爾 - 霍弗德
+15.0: 傑倫 - 佈朗
+11.9: 馬庫斯 - 斯瑪特
-1.0: 凱裡 - 歐文
-3.8: 傑森 - 塔特姆
註：這是上場時間最多的五名凱爾特人球員
[ – ] Celticsscarecrowbar 289 指標 12 小時前
I really don't think either deserve MVP talk. At this point in the season the only real candidate imo is James Harden.
Brad deserves CotY at this point though.
凱爾特人球迷：並不覺得他們兩個有資格競爭 MVP。在賽季的這個階段，我認為唯一有資格的就是哈登。
不過，史蒂文斯現在肯定是配得上最佳教練。
[ – ] Lakerstotallythrownaway00 135 指標 11 小時前
Giannis doesn't deserve consideration?
字母哥不值得考慮一下嗎？
[ – ] RaptorskinglawrenceIV 55 指標 11 小時前
Nobody else is even close to the same tier as Harden right now combining team success and personal stats, imo. Could change obviously tho
個人認為，結合戰績和個人數據，所有人都和哈登不在一個級別上。當然啦，這個隨著賽程的深入可能會有所改變。
[ – ] [ HOU ] P.J. Tuckerclutch-city2k15 335 指標 13 小時前
Al has no narrative though.
霍弗德真的沒有任何話題性。
[ – ] TimberwolvesKushedCudiV2 372 指標 13 小時前
The honest problem is that Al Horford is not awake. Voters don ’ t want to give awards to someone who is sleeping because the award won ’ t be as appreciated
問題是，霍弗德並不足夠 " 清醒 "。投票者不會把票投給這種球員的，MVP 讓不 " 清醒 " 的人得瞭還有什麼價值？
[ – ] Rocketschadowmantis 131 指標 13 小時前
Those stats...
Currently, neither of them is MVP caliber. So I'm gonna assume you mean who has the potential to be an MVP. In that case, Kyrie definitely has an edge over Horford... I just don't see Horford dropping 50 or carrying a team with his game
這種數據。。。
目前說來，他們兩個都不是 MVP 級別。你可能在說得到 MVP 的可能性吧。如果這麼說的話，歐文肯定是比霍弗德更有優勢的。就霍弗德這個比賽風格，他是不可能狂砍 50 分或者強行凱瑞全隊的。
[ – ] WarriorsAir_Ball 183 指標 13 小時前
if you add their points and assists together, they are almost james hardens averages
你把他們的得分和助攻都加起來，差不多就是哈登的數據瞭
[ – ] 76ersleyendadelflash 66 指標 12 小時前
Co-MVPs, Harden will be runner-up again
並列 MVP，就這麼定瞭。然後哈登再次陪跑。
[ – ] [ LAL ] Kobe BryantGolfninja 15 指標 11 小時前
Always a bridesmaid.
登哥總是當伴娘的命。
[ – ] CelticsTrueNorthMissionary 4 指標 10 小時前
Never the bride.
從來當不上新娘子啊。
歐文以 43% 的命中率拿下 20+3+5. 我知道凱爾特人戰績出色，但是支持歐文得 MVP？純粹挑口水罷瞭。霍弗德才是球隊的核心。我見過的 MVP 候選人沒有一個數據比歐文現在還差的。他的命中率數據更差，43/32/88，真實命中率 53%。
歐文拿 MVP 的依據不就是話題性嗎？
He's averaging 20-3-5 on 43% shooting. I know the Celtics have a great record but this argument has to be entirely narrative right. Al Horford is the MVP on that team.Kyrie is putting up the worst stats that I've seen for a perceived MVP candidate. His counting stats are lower. He has shooting splits of 43/32/88 and a true shooting percentage of 53%
This Kyrie for MVP argument has to be entirely narrative based right?
[ – ] Hornetsdank-kush 597 指標 8 小時前
hes not
他不是 MVP。
[ – ] 76ersSlappyBagg 95 指標 8 小時前
Well he is considered one. Whether we think he should be MVP or not he's being talked about as a candidate.
但人們認為他可以是。不管我們認為他配不配，他都會被無休止的討論。
[ – ] Jazzrbmw263 91 指標 7 小時前
He's getting token consideration because it's Boston and they have the best record. There is a zero percent chance he wins mvp with those numbers considering the kind of stats guys are putting up these days
Related, Brad Stevens is easily leading coach of the year
關於他的討論都是象征性的，因為他所效力的球隊現在聯盟第一，而且波士頓的體育氛圍不用多說。
在這種數據井噴的時代，拿到他那些數據還能拿 MVP 的可能性是 0.
不過，史蒂文斯教練目前是當之無愧的最佳教練。
[ – ] Celtics0per 293 指標 8 小時前
Its November who care about mvp talk
才特麼 11 月，誰關心 MVP 評選。
[ – ] Trail BlazersStoops_is_a_jackass 124 指標 8 小時前
Salty ass Rockets fans.
憤憤不平的火箭球迷唄。
[ – ] [ CHI ] Kris Dunncorvenzo 84 指標 7 小時前
I think they have legitimate gripes. Harden has been screwed out of 2 MVP's because of media narratives
我覺得火蜜的痛可以理解。因為媒體所謂的話題性，哈登已經被搶走兩個 MVP 瞭。
[ – ] Lakersonlymostlydeadd 61 指標 7 小時前
I don't think he was screwed out of '15. Steph led his team to a way better record while having better efficiency. How did harden get screwed?
15 年 MVP 是被搶走的？庫裡帶隊打出超強戰績，效率又是日天。你說他搶瞭哈登的 MVP？
[ – ] TDeFnV 56 指標 7 小時前
I think the '15 one was really 50/50, Harden did a hell of a job carrying an injury-riddled team to 57 wins but Curry was the main guy on the best team in the league by a mile. But he really should have won the '17 one, the triple double thing fucked him
我覺得 15 年應該是五五開。哈登帶著傷病滿營的火箭拿下 57 勝，但是庫裡是宇宙勇的核心人物。但是 17 年哈登就應該拿 MVP 的，是場均三雙搞掉瞭他。
