基德：球哥像我？別扯瞭丨時代在前進，數據在貶值！
Jason Kidd calls Lonzo Ball comparison "
a stretch"
對於球哥像自己這一說法，基德本人表示有點扯。
[ – ] NBAHydrium 347 指標 8 小時前
It's like in college, every year we hear how the next recruiting class contains a generational talent.
Bitch, you've been saying that for 7 years now, how many generations do you think there are in a decade?
這就像在大學，每年我們都能聽到老師說你們的學弟學妹有十年一遇的天才。
你個 2B，這個梗你都重復用七年瞭，光你那張嘴就給這十年貢獻好幾個十年一遇的。
[ – ] KnickedUp 167 指標 8 小時前
people were so sure it was
Wiggins. LMAO..that was a fun year.
森林狼的維金斯剛進聯盟時大傢也覺得他會接過火炬。哈哈哈，時光飛逝啊。
[ – ] HeatSeikalysTurnTables 25 指標 3 小時前
DUDE FUCKING THANK YOU. EVERY SINGLE YEAR EVERY DRAFT FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS NOW ITS ALWAYS A "
GENERATIONAL DRAFT" WITH "GENERATIONAL TALENT."
媽的哥們真是一陣見血啊。看看過去五年每年的選秀報告， " 天子驕子 "、" 頂級的天賦 " 和 " 一代巨星 " 這些詞都爛大街瞭。
[ – ] Buckstheconfuserx2 2245 指標 12 小時前 *
來個動圖
小寶貝，你不在我身邊的時候就好像我得到瞭空位出手機會，我【鐵】定想你 ~~
[ – ] Lakerstylerjfrancke 864 指標 9 小時前
LOL. I made this and posted it a couple days ago and it got like 10 upvotes. I think some people automatically ignore/downvote if they see Lonzo+Lakers flair on here. But anyway, I'm glad somebody saved it and is getting it out there. I thought it was pretty funny
湖人球迷：哈哈，幾天前我做瞭這個圖，發瞭之後隻獲得瞭 10 次點亮。我認為濕乎乎的一些 JR 隻要看到湖人頭像發表有關球哥的言論就會自動點滅。但不管怎麼樣，我很高興你保存下這張圖，在合適的時候亮瞭出來。確實很搞笑。
[ – ] Trail BlazersCornrow_Kenny 269 指標 9 小時前
With no regard for ball life.
球哥受到瞭一百點暴擊！ [ 譯註 1 ]
[ 譯註 1 ] with no regard for human life 是解說員形容殘暴的扣籃時常用的句子。
[ – ] Silanah1 136 指標 9 小時前
It even had his natural shooting motion.
哈哈動圖裡的球哥的動作好像他那歪把子投籃姿勢。
[ – ] [ NYK ] Kristaps PorzingisMyLadySansa 582 指標 8 小時前
I think Lonzo should stop being compared to HoF/imminent HoF point guards...
我覺得別拿球哥和名人堂球員或或即將進入名人堂的控衛比較瞭，他現在還不夠格。
[ – ] Xiiaobunn 410 指標 8 小時前
he can't even be compared to average nba players
球哥先達到 NBA 普通球員的水平再說吧。
[ – ] [ SAS ] Patty MillsBoogiePelicans 147 指標 7 小時前
Untrue: Lonzo Ball and Jerian Grant, very comparable stats.
我找到一個和球哥水平差不多的瞭，現在公牛的傑裡安 - 格蘭特。
[ 譯註 2 ]
[ 譯註 2 ] ：傑裡安 · 格蘭特，控球後衛。2016 年當選拉斯維加斯夏季聯賽總決賽 MVP；2016-17 賽季，代表公牛隊出戰 63 場常規賽比賽，場均得到 5.9 分、1.9 次助攻。
[ – ] [ CLE ] Zydrunas IlgauskasDootMasterFlex 258 指標 6 小時前
Grant is a better shooter
可能格蘭特的投籃更好些。
[ – ] Warriorsgervaistweet 44 指標 6 小時前
Jerian Grant shot 89% from the line over 60+ games last season, that comparison might be a stretch.
看看格蘭特上賽季 89% 的罰籃命中率吧，這個比較還是很扯淡。
[ 譯註 3 ]
[ 譯註 3 ] ： 球哥目前的罰球命中率是 53.8%。
[ – ] Celticsshanmustafa 196 指標 10 小時前 *
didn't he say that he could be better than him a while ago
also, I'll be honest, from watching Lonzo at UCLA, I never saw J kidd comps at all, you could say size, they get assists, rebounds, but interms of just play style, how they got their assists, how they lead teams, never saw the J kidd comp, Kidd was one of the most competitive players i've ever seen, and
99.99999% of the time he was smartest basketball player in the arena
基德之前不是說球哥可以比他更好嗎？ [ 譯註 3 ]
老實說，在看球哥大學比賽的時候，我沒見過拿他倆比的。也許你會說他們的體型形似，他們都兼具助攻和籃板。但看看他們的打球風格，他們是如何助攻的，如何帶領球隊的。基德是我見過最具競力的球員之一，而且 99.99999% 的時間基德都是場上最聰明的球員。
[ 譯註 3 ] ： 基德在本賽季開始之前曾給予球哥很高的評價。
[ – ] nancyd180 103 指標 10 小時前
I think he saw him play in the NBA and was like maybe I should temper my expectations
基德看到球哥 NBA 常規賽的表現時心想：" 臥槽原來這麼爛，我還是降低下我的期望值吧。"
[ – ] [ PHI ] Joel EmbiidLRW35 26 指標 10 小時前
I think he said it ’ ll take some time and for now it ’ s a stretch, like he said in the video
就像基德在視頻中說的，球哥還需要成長，而現在拿他們比確實比較扯 ...
[ – ] WarriorsBigDaddySK 5 指標 4 小時前
Very different athletically too. Kidd, while not much of a leader, seemed like one of the fastest players in the league in his prime. Just incredible burst. He was really strong from the moment he came into the league too. LonZo is almost the exact opposite: has a little bounce, but none of the elite speed and strength Kidd possessed.
他們倆的運動能力完全不同啊。巔峰期的基德雖然彈跳不算優秀，但他是聯盟最快的球員之一，擁有難以置信的爆發力。而他剛進聯盟的時候就已經很強壯瞭。而球哥則完全相反：雖然有點彈跳，但速度和力量遠遠沒達到基德的水平。
[ – ] Vancouver Grizzliesskwanh 845 指標 11 小時前
Just realized people are comparing the two because they're both light-skinned and pass-first
可能人們拿他倆比，隻是因為他們的膚色都比較白而且都屬於傳球為先的控衛吧。
[ – ] NBAurfaselol 597 指標 11 小時前
There's a lot of characteristics: pass first, plays D, tall PG, can't shoot
還是有很多相似的，傳球第一、能防守、高個控衛，不能投籃。
[ – ] General_Sanders 1079 指標 13 小時前
Don't forget ugly as fuck
別忘瞭都是醜 B。
[ – ] Buckstheconfuserx2 881 指標 11 小時前
Lonzo probably can't coach either
雄鹿球迷：估計球哥的執教水平也一樣爛。
[ – ] CavaliersMrDingus20 350 指標 13 小時前
I am starting to think that Bucks fans do not love Kidd as a coach.
騎士球迷：我開始覺得可能雄鹿球迷不太喜歡基德當教練。
[ – ] Buckscookster123 497 指標 12 小時前
What gives you that idea?
Throws dart at Kidd face taped to wall
雄鹿球迷：哦是嗎，你真聰明，怎麼發現的？
話音未落，雄鹿球迷就朝貼在墻上的基德照片扔瞭一串飛鏢。
[ – ] [ CLE ] Shaquille O'NealNaywe 59 指標 12 小時前
What Kidd for you is basically Ty Lue for us.
騎士球迷：我之泰盧，你之基德。
[ – ] WarriorsPsykoticNinja 112 指標 12 小時前
Saw someone else say Kidd is the Bucks' Mark Jackson. All they need is a Steve Kerr
勇士球迷：我之前看到有人說基德就是雄鹿的馬克 - 傑克遜。那麼問題就好解決瞭，雄鹿崛起隻差他們的史蒂夫 - 科爾！
[ – ] [ NYK ] Danilo GallinariInsideYoWife 112 指標 10 小時前
Kids at least looks like the protagonist in a movie where the blue collar father is working in the steel factory for 12 hours straight. They ’ d never hire someone ugly as fuck for that role. Lonzo looks like a makeup brush that has been used and abused for 20 years.
基德長的最起碼像電影中的辛勤工作的藍領父親主角。拍這樣一個角色會找一個醜 B 嗎？然而球哥長得就像被用瞭 20 年的劣質美容刷。
[ – ] Rockets1aJokic1bMJ 15 指標 8 小時前
god damn that's harsh
你這也太毒舌瞭 ...
[ – ] Blindobb 25 指標 9 小時前 *
Lot of Lonzo hate but I️ really don ’ t think Kidd is even taking a dig. He ’ s right. It is a stretch the dude just got into the league like stop comparing him to people. It ’ s basic statistics you need a large enough data pool before starting to pull results and right now the dude JUST started like damn. Let the kid play
這個帖子裡黑球哥的好多，但是我認為基德說的是事實。球哥才剛進聯盟啊，拿他直接跟基德比確實有點扯淡。等數據、樣本足夠充分再得出結果是基本常識啊。目前為止球哥打得確實 ... 辣眼。不過再過幾場下結論也不遲。
[ – ] [ WAS ] Bradley BealA2daRon 31 指標 10 小時前
Their numbers through their first 11 games are similar and Jason Kidd was a few years older entering the league.
就看生涯前 11 場比賽，他們的數據確實相似。而且基德進入聯盟時年齡還大一些。
[ – ] CavaliersNiceVu 46 指標 9 小時前
Way different league back then. It is was way harder to put up 9.8/6.5/6.4 in 1994 than it is to put up
8.8/6.8/6.3 in 2017.
Kidd led the league in triple doubles in his rooke season and he had 4 triple doubles. There are going to be at least 5 players with more than 4 triple doubles this year.
Kidd won shared ROTY with
11.7 / 7.7 / 5.4 stats. This wouldn't get you ROTY in todays league. Look at Ben Simmons who is most likely going to be ROTY, with these numbers in last cenutry he would be in MVP race.
NBA got way easier to stat pad, but way harder to win championships and if you don't have superteam you basically don't even have a shot at chip.
聯盟環境不一樣瞭，老哥。在 1994 年取得 9.8/6.5/6.4 的數據要比在 2017 年取得 8.8/6.8/6.3 的數據要難很多。
基德當時整個賽季隻得到瞭 4 次三雙就領先全聯盟瞭。再看看現在，這個賽季結束之時最起碼會有五個球員拿到 4 次以上的三雙。
基德憑借 11.7 / 7.7 / 5.4 的數據和格蘭特 - 希爾共享瞭當年的最佳新秀。而現在這個數據，你想都不敢想。看看西蒙斯現在的數據，要放在當初的話最佳新秀算什麼，他都能競爭下 MVP 瞭。
現在的 NBA 數據很好刷，但得總冠軍變得更困難瞭。如果一個球員效力的不是超級球隊，冠軍基本沒戲。
[ – ] TOMdMAK 32 指標 10 小時前
Lonzo didn't beat his wife...
球哥可不會打他老婆 [ 譯註 5 ]
[ 譯註 5 ] 基德有傢暴史。
[ – ] Lakersheresdajudge 4 指標 4 小時前
Dude is 19.. I'm confident he'll figure things out.
And then he's gonna get traded to the Nets
湖人球迷：球哥才 19 歲好吧！我認為他完全能打出來。然後我們就把他交易到籃網瞭。
