4 All-Star players in their primes right now have at some point in the past been offered for Klay Thompson.
四名正處於巔峰的全明星球員都曾被主隊當作交易的籌碼,試圖換來——克萊 - 湯普森。
2012: Harden ( Bill Simmons: Multiple sources have told me that, when Oklahoma City's Sam Presti decided to shop James Harden, Golden State was his first call. He wanted Klay Thompson. Golden State said no, so then Presti offered Harden for Beal. )
2012 年:詹姆斯 - 哈登(比爾 - 西蒙斯:多方消息源向我透露,當俄克拉荷馬城雷霆隊總經理薩姆 - 普雷斯蒂決定交易詹姆斯 - 哈登時,他第一個聯系的是金州勇士隊,想得到克萊 - 湯普森,勇士拒絕瞭他。所以後來普雷斯蒂用哈登報價佈拉德利 - 比爾)。
2014: Love ( SI: Jerry West threatened to resign his position as the Golden State Warriors head consultant if the team went ahead with a proposed trade last summer with the Minnesota Timberwolves involving guard Klay Thompson and forward Kevin Love, SI.com's Chris Ballard reports. )
2014 年:凱文 - 樂福(體育畫報:Chris Ballard 報道稱,傑裡 - 韋斯特曾向金州勇士隊攤牌:如果勇士同意森林狼的報價,決定將湯普森送去森林狼換來樂福,他將會辭去勇士首席顧問的職務)。
2017: PG ( Woj Pod: One offer I was told was made. Indiana offered you to Golden State for Klay Thompson, Golden State said no, ( and ) talks didn't go anywhere. Were you aware that conversation happened and can you imagine the reaction from the league if you had somehow ended up on that team. )
2017 年:保羅 - 喬治(Woj 在播客中對話喬治:" 有人告訴我,步行者曾向勇士開出喬治換湯普森的報價,勇士拒絕瞭,所以兩邊也就沒再往下談。喬治,你知道有這麼一回事嗎?而且,假如你最後真的落腳金州勇士,你能想象聯盟的反應麼?")。
2017: Kyrie ( ESPN: Marc J. Spears of ESPN's The Undefeated reported Wednesday that the Cleveland Cavaliers contacted the Golden State Warriors about a potential trade involving Kyrie Irving and Klay Thompson before sending Irving to the Boston Celtics )
2017 年:凱裡 - 歐文(ESPN《The Undefeated》的 Marc J. Spears 周三報道稱,在將歐文送到波士頓凱爾特人隊之前,克利夫蘭騎士隊接觸過金州勇士隊,討論過有關凱裡 - 歐文與克萊 - 湯普森交易的可能)。
[ – ] [ MIN ] Jimmy ButlerRev4890 1349 指標 11 小時前
Imagine the cavs with klay instead of IT � �
要是騎士換來的是克萊而不是小托馬斯 ... 畫面太美� �。
[ – ] [ POR ] Damian Lillard5-dollar-milkshake 854 指標 11 小時前
There is no way that trade would have ever happened and Golden State would have gotten worse defensively, but goddamn, a Curry/Irving backcourt would be absolutely filthy.
那筆交易根本沒可能發生,真那樣的話勇士的防守就變差瞭,但是我勒個去,庫裡與歐文的後場組合絕對會騷到不行啊。
[ – ] [ CLE ] J.R. Smithproblynotkevinbacon 467 指標 11 小時前
I'd probably have to take a year off watching basketball for grief counseling
騎士球迷:那我可能得花一年時間遠離比賽,進行心理悲傷輔導。
[ – ] CavaliersGarfield-1-23-23 132 指標 8 小時前
This year looks good for that. It's not easy watching Kyrie in green as it is.
騎士球迷:今年也不耽誤你去看心理醫生啊。歐文身著綠軍隊服 ... 哎,看的我真不是滋味。
[ – ] Lakersk4f123 272 指標 7 小時前
I actually think it would be a massive downgrade. Klay is the perfect guy next to Curry because he is an all-defense caliber defender while also being a flamethrower from 3. With Curry & Irving out there, their back-court defense would be terrible. They don't have trouble scoring anyway, so adding more offense and getting rid of your best perimeter defender makes no sense at all.
我真覺得這筆交易會讓(勇士的)實力大為下滑。克萊是庫裡的完美搭檔,一 / 二防的防守水準、三分大殺器。如果把克萊換成歐文,勇士的後場防守會變得很糟糕。反正勇士在得分方面不成問題,所以,以失去球隊最好的外線防守球員的代價補強進攻是不合邏輯的。
[ – ] [ CLE ] J.R. SmithMagic-Pipe 207 指標 7 小時前
Well if don't like that you don't like Cavaliers basketball
騎士球迷:補強進攻、舍棄防守?嗯,聽上去是我們克利夫蘭的風格。
[ – ] RaptorsCharwinger21 69 指標 6 小時前
The Cleveland Cavaliers, except every time it's the off season they add an older injury prone player and get worse at perimeter defense.
猛龍球迷:倒也有點差別,你騎每到休賽季都會補充一名高齡玻璃屬性的老將,然後外線防守自動降級。
[ – ] [ MIA ] Alonzo MourningPM_ME_UR_INSECURITES 22 指標 6 小時前
Pretend it wasn't a downgrade and Kyrie somehow was a massive upgrade over Klay, Golden State still shouldn't have done it. It's the exact opposite situation that Kyrie was looking for. He said he wanted his own chance to shine and lead his own team instead of living in Lebron's shadow; going to Golden State to play behind Curry and Durant is like jumping out of the frying pan and into the much larger, hotter frying pan. He probably wouldn't have re-signed.
就算,就算,我說就算克萊換歐文對勇士來說不是降級而是巨大的升級,勇士也還是不該這麼做。這與歐文想要的環境截然不同。他說過,他希望自己成為焦點領導球隊,而不是活在詹姆斯的陰影之下;前往勇士去做庫裡和杜蘭特的身後的三當傢?這不就等於從一個坑裡爬出來後跳進瞭更深的坑嗎。他很可能不會跟勇士續約的。
[ – ] [ GSW ] Stephen Currysnap_wilson 57 指標 6 小時前
Imagine the Dubs with Harden instead of Klay. Holy shit.
勇士球迷:想象下把克萊換成哈登的勇士吧。我的乖乖哦。
[ – ] i_am_very_dumb 115 指標 6 小時前
Fuck honestly I'm not sure they'd be better. Klay is this weird player where he's got a lot of limitations as a player that ( probably ) hold him back from ever being a true #1 option, but his skillset just perfectly complements basically any superstar. He doesn't need the ball to be effective, and he plays elite defense.
I feel like on the current Warriors Curry and KD share the offensive load so well that you don't gain a ton by adding another offensive superstar. Meanwhile Klay is a really important defensive piece for them, and he just fits so nicely with their offense.
Then again, you could stagger minutes and basically always have two of Curry, KD, and Harden on the floor. Sheesh.
靠,老實說,我不確定勇士會不會變得更好。湯普森這個球員怪的很,作為一名球員他有很多缺陷,而這些缺陷(可能)限制他成為球隊真正的第一進攻點,但是他的技能點剛好與其它大多數超級球星完美互補。他的無球很有威懾力,防守非常出色。
我覺得在現在的勇士隊裡,庫裡與杜蘭特進攻端的火力分享得很好,所以你不用再增加一名進攻大咖來補強。與此同時,克萊在防守端對球隊而言是塊非常重要的拼圖,而且他剛好非常適合球隊的進攻套路。
不過話是這麼說,要是克萊真換成瞭哈登,然後科爾在分攤出場時間上下下心思,基本上能保證庫裡、杜蘭特、哈登三人中的兩個一直同時在場。叼炸天啊。
[ – ] [ GSW ] Stephen Currylotsarice 487 指標 12 小時前
And thank God those didn't push through because I can't imagine the Warriors without him
勇士球迷:感謝上帝,幸虧這些交易沒有通過!沒有克萊的勇士是什麼樣我真的想象不到。
[ – ] [ MIN ] Mickael GelabaleRoyalLake 145 指標 11 小時前
Yeah, but I'd be curious about Love on the Warriors.
I think he'd fit well there, and having Dray next to him would be interesting...
森林狼球迷:沒錯,不過我挺好奇樂福在勇士會怎麼樣。
我覺得他會適合那裡的,跟格林搭檔應該會挺有意思的 ……
[ – ] WarriorsFuturemfhendrix 143 指標 10 小時前
It's not a guarantee Draymond would ’ ve started if Love was on the team in 2014-15. I say this because Draymond was penciled in as David Lee ’ s backup up until right before the season started Lee got hurt. Dray got his shot as the starter and ran with it. With Love on the team who knows maybe Lee never gets hurt. Crazy how an injury to Lee led to us finding our heart and soul of the team.
勇士球迷:如果 2014-15 賽季樂福在球隊的話,格林就不一定還能打首發瞭。那個賽季初,格林在大衛 - 李受傷之前一直都是他的替補。後來大衛 - 李受傷瞭,格林被提上首發,把握住瞭這個機會並這麼打瞭下去。樂福在球隊的話,誰知道呢,可能大衛 - 李永遠也不會受傷呢。大衛 - 李的傷病讓我們找到瞭球隊的心臟與靈魂人物,太不可思議瞭。
[ – ] [ GSW ] Calbert Cheaneyswollencornholio 13 指標 7 小時前
Warriors would have for sure been worse off. Mostly because at the time:
1. the Warriors had serious depth issues and that trade cut deeper into their depth. Their starting line up was actually the best in the league the previous year by Net Rating. Warriors would have to give up Klay and Lee to get KLove and Kmart. Did not solve their depth issue.
勇士球迷:勇士實力肯定會下降的。主要因為當時:
1. 勇士球隊深度很有問題,那筆交易會更加削弱球隊深度。他們的首發陣容確實是聯盟近年來每百回合凈勝分最高的。而勇士為瞭得到凱文 - 樂福和凱文 - 馬丁 [ 譯註 1 ] 就會付出克萊和大衛 - 李。這並沒有解決他們陣容深度的問題。
2. KMart was Klays replacement. You go from one of the better wing defenders to nothing on that end of the floor and he'd be playing alongside Curry. Warriors would have no wing defenders
2. 凱文 - 馬丁頂替克萊的位置。勇士的得分後衛從一個相當出色的側翼防守人降級到防守端毫無存在感的人,而且這個人還跟庫裡搭檔後場。勇士的側翼防守告急。
3. Lee was still very serviceable and was a Kevin Love lite at that point of time. Was coming off a 2012-13 all star.
3. 那時,大衛 - 李仍然很有實力,而且算是低配版的凱文 - 樂福吧。畢竟是 2012-13 賽季的全明星啊。
4. May have prevented Drays emergence but I'm putting this last because that's the biggest "who knows" on this list.
1-3 were my arguments against the trade at the time
4. 這可能會阻止格林的崛起,但是我把這條放在最後,因為這是其中最大的未知因素。
所以前 3 條是我反對當時這筆交易的理由。
[ 譯註 1 ] :原文表示為 "KMart",實際上這通常代表的是肯揚 - 馬丁。
[ – ] CelticsParamoreFanClub 22 指標 9 小時前
I mean you'd have harden and still probably would have won a few championships
我覺得勇士擁有哈登的話,依舊有可能贏下幾個總冠軍。
[ – ] [ GSW ] Andris Biedrinsalisial3 10 指標 5 小時前
Idunno... Harden might not have become the player he is today if he didn't go to a team where he was the #1 option and our back court defense would get roasted. I don't know if we would've gotten Kerr leading to a system overhaul like this since Harden runs the least on the floor out of any current star player accident to nba.com and a lot of our system is predicated on movement, especially Klay and Steph.
勇士球迷:我不確定啊 …… 如果哈登當初沒去一個樹立自己為第一核心的球隊,能不能發展成今天這樣還是未知數,而且真要是用克萊換瞭哈登,我們的後場防守會沒法看吧。而且要真在 2012 年休賽季把克萊換成瞭哈登,史蒂夫 - 科爾也不一定會來瞭,我們如今的體系也就無從談起瞭。從 NBA 官網的數據來看,哈登是目前所有球星中場上跑動距離最短的,而我們的很多體系都是以球員的跑動為基礎的,尤其是靠湯普森和庫裡的無球跑動。
[ – ] [ GSW ] Stephen Currysnap_wilson 11 指標 6 小時前
It's almost like a guy who spaces the floor, plays decent defense and doesn't care about numbers is actually worth more to a winning team than all these All-Stars ( although imagine Harden in Klay's place, OMG ) .
勇士球迷:對於一支志在贏球的球隊而言,一個在場上能拉開空間,防守出色,不在乎數據的球員實際上要比這些全明星球員更有價值(不過,把克萊換成哈登的勇士足夠讓我浮想聯翩瞭)。
[ – ] Warriorsshootermcgavin30 51 指標 11 小時前
id rather klay than PG any day of the week tbh
勇士球迷:克萊還是喬治?當然是選克萊瞭,都不用考慮啊 !
[ – ] RaptorsProcese 4 指標 10 小時前
Pg is better on defense, klay better shooter, pg better handles. Durant and Pg with draymond on the floor, yikes
保羅 - 喬治的防守更好,湯普森的投射更出色,而喬治的控球又更占上風。擺上杜蘭特和喬治再加格林,蒼天啊。
[ – ] WarriorsFuturemfhendrix 53 指標 10 小時前
Klay doesn't need the ball in his hands as much as PG to be effective. Plus he literally fits the system perfectly. We don't need Klay to be able to dribble when we have Curry, Green, Durant who all can facilitate. Klay's amazing coming off pin downs and off ball cuts. Exactly what we need him to do. And you just don't take that risk when things have gone pretty smooth with Klay so far. Last but not least we have Klay's bird rights and he's said he's willing to take a paycut so re-signing him is easier than it could've been with Paul George.
勇士球迷:湯普森不像保羅 - 喬治那樣需要持球才能發揮威力。此外克萊真的非常適合我勇的體系。當我們有庫裡,格林還有杜蘭特這些能輕松持球的球員時,我們不需要克萊的運球功夫。克萊的神奇之處表現在高低位掩護與無球空切上,而這正是我們需要他做的。有誰會在克萊與球隊水 * 河蟹 * 融順風順水的時候冒這個風險呢。而且,我們有克萊的鳥權,他也說過自己願意降薪,所以比起保羅 - 喬治,跟他續約會更容易些。
[ – ] NBAefuipa 215 指標 10 小時前
They wouldn't do it because Klay fills a lot of their needs, but goddamn Harden or Kyrie on the Dubs would be filthy.
他們才不會這麼做呢,因為克萊滿足瞭勇士的很多需求,不過,要是哈登或者歐文在勇士的話,我去,那畫面太美我不敢看啊。
[ – ] WarriorsFuturemfhendrix 79 指標 10 小時前 *
Not a guarantee Harden would ’ ve reached his ceiling to become the player he is today if he was on the Warriors. Same scenario as if he stayed in OKC because Durant and Westbrook were the alphas. Many others believe Harden needed his own team/opportunity to develop into the great franchise player he is today, which I believe as well.
勇士球迷:要是哈登在勇士的話,他能否達到上限變成今天這樣的球員可就不一定瞭啊。這和 " 要是哈登還在俄城的話 ……" 是一個意思,因為杜蘭特和威斯佈魯克是球隊的大當傢二當傢。其他很多人,也包括我在內,都相信哈登需要一支自己的球隊或者機會來成長為如今這般出色的基石球員。
[ – ] CelticsVonNeumass 146 指標 8 小時前 *
What are you talking about Harden, literally from day 1 in Houston, showed why OKC were stupid to trade him.
He was always wonderful just poorly utilized.
Edit: yeah he put up 37 and 45 in his first two games lol
扯淡。哈登到火箭的第一天就證明瞭雷霆的愚蠢。
他向來都很出色,就是在雷霆的時候沒怎麼被好好利用而已。
編輯:哈哈我查瞭下,他在火箭的前兩場比賽分別拿下 37 分和 45 分。
[ – ] derozansmole 333 指標 11 小時前
I honestly never understood the idea of trading away Klay. He is quite honestly the best 3rd/4th option in the league and flirting with alltime. He is what? A shooting guard who is an alltime shooter, who doesn't care about dribbling or holding onto the ball who defends premier permieter threats and does not seem to possess a huge ego.
You also have Steph Curry and a DPotY in your core.
Entertaining trading Klay is like winning the lottery and donating it to charity
老實說,我一直都不理解為什麼要交易克萊呢。他真的是聯盟中最好的三、四當傢,而且還這麼有趣。克萊是個怎樣的球員呢?歷史級別的射手,不關心運球或持球在手,他負責防守對方優秀的外線得分手,看上去也沒那麼自負。
何況球隊核心中還有斯蒂芬 - 庫裡和一位最佳防守球員啊。
有交易克萊的想法就好比你好不容易彩票中獎後全都捐給紅十字會瞭。
[ – ] Bulls_Flashpoint_ 193 指標 11 小時前
It doesn't sound like Klay has been offered. All the offers are for him. The idea being he could have a Harden-esque rise as the #1 option.
勇士隊可沒有主動把湯普森擺上貨架啊,是所有其它球隊的交易報價都指向瞭他啊。那些球隊(可能)覺得,湯普森作為球隊的第一核心可以打出哈登式的蛻變表現。
[ – ] CavaliersGarfield-1-23-23 94 指標 8 小時前
This is from 2014:
這是篇 2014 年的報道:
ESPN.com reported earlier Thursday that the Warriors have greatly increased their chances of winning the Love sweepstakes by making Thompson available to the Wolves in trade talks. The Warriors, after initially resisting Minnesota's push for Thompson, have relented and now are including Thompson in various trade proposals.
ESPN 周四早些時候報道稱,勇士在與森林狼的交易談判中把湯普森擺上桌面,這使他們在樂福爭奪戰中大為領先。勇士在初期拒絕瞭森林狼對湯普森的追求,目前態度有所緩和,並將湯普森納入到多種交易方案內。
This didn't happen because Jerry "I Am Smarter Than You Dumbfucks Who Want To Trade Klay" West threatened to resign over it.
這次交易並沒有發生,原因是傑裡 - 老子特麼比你們這幫想交易湯普森的蠢貨都聰明 - 韋斯特以辭職相逼。
[ – ] KyKid98 37 指標 6 小時前
Jerry West is the undeniable GOAT talent evaluator
毫無疑問,傑裡 - 韋斯特是歷史第一慧眼。
[ – ] [ BOS ] JaJuan Johnsonjimjamiam 37 指標 9 小時前
Doesn't have the handles to dominate the ball
湯普森手活不太行啊,球控不穩。
[ – ] CavaliersThe_NA_Deft 13 指標 7 小時前
Klay would be an awful first option. His ball handling skills are rather subpar and his playmaking is basically non-existent.
讓克萊當球隊第一選擇可不怎麼樣吧。他的控球技術很差,基本上也沒什麼組織能力。
[ – ] KyKid98 25 指標 6 小時前
You can be a first option without being the primary ball handler and playmaker. MJ on his last few bulls seasons was like that.
非第一持球人和進攻組織者也能成為球隊的第一進攻選擇呀。喬丹在公牛的最後幾個賽季就是這種角色的。