Devin Booker is, statistically, the worst 20 year old player to average at least 20 PPG ( self.nba )
從數據分析的角度來說,德文 - 佈克是 NBA 歷史上在 20 歲這個年齡達到場均至少 20 分的球員中,最差的一位。
Before you go any further, I just want to state that Booker is indeed a max contract player in today's market and he has all the time in the world to make an All-Star leap. This has nothing to do with his scoring ability, it's primarily about his lack of an all-around game/intangibles and minimal on-court impact.
在你想要開始噴我之前,我想要申明清楚:在現在的市場上,佈克顯然是一名頂薪球員,而且他有著足夠的時間去進步成為一名全明星球員。我這個帖子和佈克的得分能力一點關系沒有,而是主要在說他缺少全面的技術,缺少那些無形的有價值的東西,以及在場上對比賽非常微小的影響。
11 players in NBA History have scored at least 20 PPG at age 20. Some of these players have been inducted as Hall of Famers ( Shaquille O'Neal, Adrian Dantley ) , some have been MVPs ( Lebron James, Kevin Durant ) , some have only been perennial All-Stars ( Carmelo Anthony ) , and then there are some who are big outliers to the rest of the names listed ( Tyreke Evans ) .
List:
目前為止,NBA 歷史上一共有 11 位球員在 20 歲的年紀時場均能夠至少達到 20 分。其中有一些已經進入瞭名人堂(奧尼爾,阿德裡安 - 丹特利),有一些成為瞭 MVP(勒佈朗 - 詹姆斯,凱文 - 杜蘭特),有一些僅僅隻是多次入選全明星(卡梅隆 - 安東尼),還剩下的一些球員——相比於以上這些偉大的名字來說——則屬於看起來非常刺眼的異常值(泰瑞克 - 埃文斯)。
榜單詳見:http://bkref.com/tiny/flQru
Why do I think Booker is the worst player among this group of 20 year olds? I'll give a couple of examples:
Booker ranks last among these players in VORP, and is one of only two players in the negatives
Booker has the second lowest combined total of APG and RPG, only Wiggins is worse.
Booker has the lowest combined total of SPG and BPG
那麼為什麼我認為佈克是這一組 20 歲年輕球員中最差的那一個呢?下面我來給出一些列子:
在 VORP(該球員與可替換球員的絕對價值差)這項數據上,佈克在這些球員中排名墊底,有且僅有兩位球員的該數據為負,而佈克就是其中之一。
佈克的場均助攻和場均籃板加起來是這組球員中倒數第二低的,僅僅隻有威金斯比他更糟。
佈克的場均搶斷加上場均蓋帽是這組球員中最低的。
Booker ranks last in PER
Booker ranks last in DRTG
Booker ranks 9 out of 11 in ORTG
Booker ranks last in TRB%, even lower than Wiggins
佈克的 PER(球員效率值)在這組球員中排名最後。
佈克的防守效率值在這組球員中排名最後。
佈克的進攻效率值在 11 球員中排名第 9。
佈克的籃板率在這組球員中排最後,甚至比威金斯還低。
Booker is dead last in Win Shares, with 2.0, the next closest has more than twice as many ( Wiggins at 4.1 )
Booker ranks last in WS%
Booker ranks second last in OBPM ( behind Melo ) , and last in DBPM
佈克的勝利貢獻值也是穩穩的排在倒數第一,隻有 2.0,倒數第二球員的這一數據比佈克多瞭兩倍還多(威金斯,4.1)。
佈克的勝利貢獻百分比也排在最後。
佈克在 OBPM(進攻聯盟平均正負值)這項數據中排名倒數第二(僅僅優於安東尼),然後在 DBPM(防守聯盟平均正負值)中又排到瞭倒數第一。
While Booker's name is up there with some All-Time Greats that have accomplished this scoring feat, he ranks at the very bottom of the list in terms of impact and non-scoring production. Booker is the only player on this list to not have an above average skill that does not involve him putting the ball through the net ( other than Wiggins ) . He's not a playmaker, he's not a rebounder, and he's not an above-average defender.
盡管在得分表演上,佈克的名字和其他那些歷史上的偉大球員們齊名;但是當考慮到對比賽的影響和得分之外的貢獻時,佈克則鎖定瞭榜單的倒數第一。在這份 20 歲球員的榜單中,佈克是唯一一名除瞭得分外,其他方面的技能都沒有高於聯盟平均水平的球員(除瞭威金斯之外)。佈克不是一名組織者,不是一位籃板手,也不是一名高於聯盟平均水平的防守者。
Amazingly, Booker has yet to improve upon his TRB/36 min, AST/36 min, STL/36 min, and BLK/36 min averages since his rookie season. His per game averages closely resemble the NBA per game average for 2016-17:
Booker averaged 3.2 RPG, 3.4 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.3 BPG
The 2016-17 league average was 3.8 RPG, 1.7 APG, 0.7 SPG, and 0.4 BPG. ( ~280 qualified players )
當然瞭,自從佈克的新秀賽季後,他的每 36 分鐘籃板數,每 36 分鐘助攻數,搶斷數和蓋帽數都亟待改進。2016-17 這賽季佈克的上述數據幾乎和聯盟的平均水平一樣:
佈克場均 3.2 籃板,3.4 助攻,0.9 搶斷,0.3 蓋帽。
2016-17 賽季聯盟的平均水平則為:場均 3.8 籃板,1.7 助攻,0.7 搶斷和 0.4 蓋帽(來自於 280 名註冊的球員)
[ – ] Kingssupermop3000 447 指標 1 天前
Dam. You're right. They need to cut him.
見鬼,樓主你是對的,太陽需要裁瞭他。
[ – ] RocketsZensRockets 87 指標 1 天前
But then who's even going sign him besides some overseas team?
然後除瞭一些海外的球隊,還有誰會簽佈克呢?
[ – ] [ SAS ] Dejounte MurrayPerkyTitty 46 指標 1 天前
wouldn't even be the best Devin Booker in Europe smh
就算在歐洲,他都不是最出色的德文 - 佈克。
【註】歐洲也有一位和佈克同名同姓的球員。
[ – ] Knickschestnutman 5 指標 20 小時前
That's 2016 French league MVP Devin Booker for you
老哥,你說的可是 2016 年法國聯賽的 MVP:德文 - 佈克啊。
[ – ] [ GSW ] Ian Clarkmygrace_mylife 1770 指標 1 天前
I want the worst 30 year old player to average 30ppg
我想看看在 30 歲這個年齡場均至少 30 分的球員中,最差的是誰。
[ – ] RaptorsGetLowwweee [ S ] 1011 指標 1 天前
Allen Iverson. Rick Barry is 2nd worst though.
阿倫 - 艾弗森,裡克 - 巴裡是倒數第二差的。
【註】鏈接:http://bkref.com/tiny/zrqtc
[ – ] Warriorsmyxomat0sis_ 394 指標 1 天前
what a buncha scrubs
真是一群垃圾。
[ – ] Nets Bandwagonhowboutnowgirl 8 指標 22 小時前
Now I want the worst 37 year old to average 17.6 ppg
現在我想看看誰是 37 歲場均 17.6 分的球員中,最差的那個。
[ – ] RaptorsGetLowwweee [ S ] 4 指標 22 小時前
鏈接:http://bkref.com/tiny/TD4CU
[ – ] [ IND ] Derrick McKeypm_me_whateva 347 指標 1 天前
Now I want to know which 19 year old phenom is secretly crap.
現在我倒想看看哪些 19 歲的籃球天才實際上隻是垃圾。
[ – ] RaptorsGetLowwweee [ S ] 150 指標 1 天前
鏈接:http://bkref.com/tiny/0w5WR
[ – ] [ MIN ] Karl-Anthony TownsFuckTh* 河蟹 *rs 318 指標 1 天前
Lmao, people should really follow the link, but since they won't, it's:
Durant: -1.4
Melo: .1
James: 1.9
笑尿瞭,人們真的應該看看樓上那個連接,但是由於大傢一般都不看,我列出來吧:
杜蘭特:-1.4
安東尼:0.1
勒佈朗:1.9
【註】後面的數據為正負值(BPM)。
[ – ] Cavaliers Bandwagonccvssd 56 指標 23 小時前
Crazy how similar their usages are
令人吃驚的是,他仨的使用率是如此的接近。
[ – ] Raptorswertexx 47 指標 1 天前
Can we go deeper?
18yo
我們能不能再深挖一點?
18 歲呢。
[ – ] RaptorsGetLowwweee [ S ] 78 指標 1 天前
nobody has ever averaged more than 7.6 PTS as an 18 year old ( they determine age based on your age on Feb 1 ) .
Here's a full list of 18 year olds in the NBA:
在 NBA 歷史上,沒有任何 18 歲的球員場均得分能夠高於 7.6 分(NBA 是以你在 2 月 1 號的年齡來決定你多大)。
這是 NBA 歷史上所有 18 歲球員的榜單:http://bkref.com/tiny/WXmD7
[ – ] [ BOS ] Rajon Rondoburner_for_celtics 133 指標 1 天前
Today I learned that Amir Johnson was the most efficient 18yo in the history of the NBA!
今天我才發現阿米爾 - 約翰遜是 NBA 歷史上 18 歲球員中,效率最高的那個!
[ – ] [ MEM ] Bryant Reeveskeefstrong 78 指標 23 小時前
He peaked.
他巔峰已過。
[ – ] Cavaliersvoyaging 35 指標 22 小時前
Well he played a grand total of 39 minutes over 3 games.
I'd say TMac was the best 18-year-old:
然而那一年裡他在整個賽季中隻打瞭 3 場比賽,一共上場 39 分鐘。
我會說麥迪曾經是聯盟中最強的 18 歲球員:http://bkref.com/tiny/7SRrK。
[ – ] NewGodArceus 4 指標 21 小時前
I love how the only two 18 year olds to average more than 7ppg are Kobe and Tmac
我喜歡這個事實:目前為止聯盟歷史上唯二的在 18 歲時場均得分超過 7 分的球員是科比和麥迪。
[ – ] Raptorswertexx 14 指標 1 天前
Didn't LeBron come to the league at 18? He surely averaged more than 7pts...
Straight after high-school, I think he was 18
難道勒佈朗不也是在 18 歲時就進入瞭聯盟嗎?他絕對場均超過 7 分瞭啊 …
高中畢業直接參選,我認為他隻有 18 歲。
[ – ] RaptorsGetLowwweee [ S ] 69 指標 1 天前
He was 19 on Feb. 1
2 月 1 號的時候,勒佈朗已經 19 歲瞭。
[ – ] 76ersMoptop39 64 指標 1 天前
Damn no one is even close to Lebron when it comes to advanced stats.
見鬼,在高階數據上,沒人能夠接近勒佈朗。
[ – ] mangotictacs 105 指標 1 天前
MJ is, he just wasn't in the league at this age.
喬丹可以,隻是 18 歲的喬丹還沒進入 NBA 罷瞭。
[ – ] Bullspninify 102 指標 1 天前 *
Whoa where's the respect for Elton Brand? Dude was a 20/10 guy and the best player on a Clippers team that almost won 50 games, and took a Steve Nash Suns team to 7 games in round 2. He tore his achilles in his late 20's and was never the same after, but he was a legit star before the injury.
edit to explain: OP originally mentioned Elton Brand with Tyreke Evans as an outlier and I had to speak up for Elton as a former top 15 player before his achilles injury
請問對埃爾頓 - 佈蘭德的尊敬哪去瞭?這傢夥曾經可是 20/10 的猛獸,而且是那支幾乎贏瞭 50 場比賽的快船陣中最出色的球員,並在季後賽第二輪裡把納什帶領的太陽拖進瞭搶 7 中。但是這傢夥在他快 30 歲時遭受到瞭跟腱斷裂的傷病,之後就再也沒有恢復到以前的狀態瞭,但是傷前他絕對是個貨真價實的球星。
【註】樓主最開始寫的是,佈蘭德和埃文斯是這組球員中的異類,我必須要為佈蘭德說幾句話,在受傷前,他曾是聯盟前 15 的球星。
[ – ] laidbackdc 40 指標 1 天前
being the worst 20 year old to average 20 ppg is still really fuckin good
就算是作為 20 歲裡場均至少 20 分的球員中最差的那一個,也仍然是非常出色的成就。
[ – ] OngoGablogian- 15 指標 22 小時前
Says the dumbest guy with an IQ over 140...
是的,就和說這裡最蠢的人智商也超過瞭 140 一樣 …
[ – ] Hornetscrashcoolnoob 642 指標 1 天前
Criticism of Booker is sacrosanct on this sub as well. That article that cited him as a bad defender had like 30 people saying "Oh Booker guards the hardest player on the opposing team" ( I've watched Earl Watson for years, that's not how his schemes work ) . Bring up that his advanced stats blow and you're met with what OP just posted
在這個論壇佈克簡直就是神聖而不可侵犯的,有篇文章把他列為糟糕的防守者,然後底下就有大概 30 人說:" 真的嗎,佈克每次都防守的對方最精英的球員 "(我看過沃特森執教很久瞭,他不會制定這樣的比賽計劃的)。你隻需要把佈克的高階數據拿出來看看,就能得到和樓主一樣的觀點。
[ – ] cosmic_backlash 26 指標 23 小時前
I've watched booker play. He's got a nice shot but is inconsistent, has a bad/average TS% and is an awful defender. He has potential, but he also has the writings on the wall that he's just a volume scorer and not much else. My body is ready for the down votes.
我看過佈克打球,他有一手出色的投籃,但是不穩定,擁有糟糕 / 平均水平的真實命中率,而且是個糟糕的防守者。顯然佈克有潛力,但是也有足夠的預兆表明他以後僅僅隻會是一位大量出手的得分者罷瞭,最多也就這樣瞭。我已經準備好被滅瞭。
[ – ] [ PHO ] Devin Bookerprotos32 59 指標 23 小時前
This is the hardest thing that r/nba does not understand. Outside of Bledsoe and Booker the Suns do not have players that can score ( Except Warren but he's injured a lot and had a bad concussion last season ) . Without Booker there would be no offense. It just wouldn't exist.
這是不能夠理解的最致命的事情。除瞭佈萊德索和佈克外,太陽就沒有球員能夠得分瞭(除瞭沃倫,但是他經常受傷,上賽季還遭受到瞭嚴重的腦震蕩)。沒有佈克,太陽就沒有任何進攻,僅僅就是不存在任何進攻瞭。