托馬斯陷入掙紮,他該怎麼調整?

01-29

Fun fact: Isaiah Thomas, the shortest player in the NBA at 5'9, is the same height as the average American male. There are no players of below average height in the NBA.

一個有趣的事實:小托馬斯是(現在)NBA 裡最矮的球員,他身高 1.75 米,而這正好也是美國男性的平均身高,也就是說,(現在)NBA 裡就沒有身高低於美國男子平均水準的球員。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide

如上是世界各國人口的平均身高統計。

In fact, there have only been 12 players of below average height in NBA history:

事實上,NBA 歷史上也隻有 12 個球員的身高低於平均水平。

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shortest_players_in_National_Basketball_Association_history

[ – ] SpursTexszn 274 指標 8 小時前

So you ’ re saying there ’ s a chance.

所以,樓主你的意思是說,我還是有希望的嘍?

[ – ] CavaliersNikras_lorh 3025 指標 8 小時前

TIL NBA players are tall

看瞭樓主的帖子我才知道,原來特麼 NBA 球員的個子都蠻高的嘛!

[ – ] HawksButeo_jamaicensis [ S ] 875 指標 8 小時前

I know, it surprised me too

可不是嘛!真叫我大吃一驚啊!

[ – ] [ CLE ] Zydrunas IlgauskasDootMasterFlex 152 指標 3 小時前

Not like the fucking midget Yao.

騎士球迷:確實,不像叫姚明的那個臭侏儒,拉低瞭 NBA 的平均身高。

[ – ] NBAEagle20_Fox2 704 指標 7 小時前

I thought JJ Barrea was 5'4 this entire time.

我以前一直以為巴裡亞才一米六三!

[ – ] Pistonsdrcash360-2ndaccount 279 指標 5 小時前

He has to be, no way he's 6 foot

必須一米六三啊,他不可能有一米八三那麼高!

[ – ] [ DAL ] J.J. BareaDeathwatch72 59 指標 2 小時前

Saw JJ in person a few times, and he was definitely shorter than me ( I'm 6 foot 1 ) but by more than just a little bit. Hes probably 5 10 and a half honestly

獨行俠球迷:我當面見過巴裡亞幾次,我敢說他絕對沒有我高(我有 1.85 米高),但也就比他高一點點。他大概有 1.79 米吧我覺得。

[ – ] [ CHI ] Cameron PayneCousin_SadBoy 32 指標 3 小時前

I had floor-level seats for a Mavs game once. I'm 6'2" and Barea walked by me and was at least 3-4 inches shorter than me.

公牛球迷:我有一次現場看獨行俠比賽的時候就坐在場邊,然後巴裡亞就從我面前走過,他至少比我矮 7-10 厘米,我自己身高 1.88 米。

[ – ] EastSylviaPlathh 43 指標 3 小時前

Height listings in the nba are complete ass. Most aren ’ t accurate at all.

NBA 的身高統計根本不能信啊,大多數都是虛報的。

[ – ] Jazzitsbreezybaby 306 指標 7 小時前

TIL our average height was 5 ’ 9 in the country. I thought we were taller.

原來我們國傢的平均身高是 1.75 米啊,我以為還能高點的。

[ – ] CavaliersGarfield-1-23-23 194 指標 5 小時前

Average height hasn't changed much at all in the last century, but oh boy has average weight changed. During WW1, the average male in the US was 5'8" 135 lbs. and during WW2 it was 5'9" 145 lbs. Today it's 5'9" 194 lbs. That's nearly a 50% increase in a hundred years.

實際上平均身高自從上個世紀以來就沒怎麼變過,對比起來平均體重就不一樣瞭。一戰期間,美國男性的平均身高 1.73 米,平均體重 61.2 公斤;二戰期間這兩個數字分別是 1.75 米和 65.8 公斤;現在則是 1.75 米和 88 公斤。過去一百年內美國男性的平均體重增加瞭幾乎有 50%。

[ – ] Raptorsbobogogo123 121 指標 5 小時前

That's actually way more crazy than height.

這比平均身高的統計聽起來更加的不可思議。

[ – ] [ CLE ] Iman ShumpertUnbiasedExpert 634 指標 8 小時前

average American male is not measured with shoes on

騎士球迷:講道理,平均身高可不是穿著鞋量的啊。

[ – ] HawksButeo_jamaicensis [ S ] 348 指標 8 小時前

According to DraftExpress, IT was measured at 5'10 with shoes on -- but then again, reports of his true height seem to vary by an inch or two, so who knows. Still a fun bit of trivia IMO.

按照 DraftExpress 的統計,小托馬斯穿鞋量的話身高有 1.78 米,然而在各種新聞報道裡他真實身高總會波動 3-5 厘米,誰知道他到底有多高呢。不過我發這個帖主要是為瞭把這個有趣小知識分享給大傢。

[ – ] KingsSocrates_Burrito 182 指標 7 小時前

I met IT in person. I'm 5'8" on the dot. He's my height when we were both wearing shoes.

我身高正好是 1.73 米,然後有次我碰到小托馬斯,我倆穿鞋的時候是一樣高的。

[ – ] Celticseporthrowaway 127 指標 7 小時前

Can verify this. 5 ’ 8 when I met him too

沒錯,我見到小托馬斯的時候也是一米七三。

[ – ] jellybeans_over_raw 171 指標 6 小時前

Can also confirm I was 5 ’ 8 when you met him

沒錯,你見到小托馬斯的時候我也是一米七三。

[ – ] Celticsdenis998 873 指標 7 小時前

People in here arguing about his height like its the difference between 5'11 and 6'0.

小托馬斯一米七五,小托馬斯一米七三,小托馬斯一米七四,有特麼啥區別啊?一米八和一米八三還值得討論討論。

[ – ] MavericksRangersCrusader 833 指標 5 小時前

When you stop and think about it, 6'0" is just 5'12"

你仔細思考一下就能發現,一米八三就是 183 厘米啊!

[ – ] [ MIN ] Zach LaVineNeedDEA 525 指標 5 小時前

Do your own research

森林狼球迷:你要自己做研究啊。 [ 譯註 1 ]

[ – ] SpursApplecakesMcGee 286 指標 5 小時前

I'm 5'15". Stay woke.

我身高可是比一米八三還高 8 厘米啊,還是你自己保持清醒吧。 [ 譯註 1 ]

[ – ] [ MIN ] Zach LaVineNeedDEA 183 指標 5 小時前

Yeah, but have you ever actually seen yourself? Like not in a picture, or in the mirror, but actually held yourself in your hands?

森林狼球迷:難道你看過真實客觀的自己嗎?我的意思是,不用鏡子或者照片,你真正測量過你的身高嗎? [ 譯註 1 ]

[ – ] SpursApplecakesMcGee 121 指標 5 小時前

Oh, I've held myself in my hands. My tender, loving hands.

你別說,我還真量過,親手測量的哦。 [ 譯註 1 ]

[ 譯註 1 ] :這裡都是對歐文 " 地平說 " 邏輯的調侃。

[ – ] LakersSATW121310 92 指標 5 小時前

When you ’ re on Tinder, the difference between 5 ’ 11" and 6 ’ 0" matters so much. Poor Isaiah probably missing out on a bunch of swipe-rights with that height.

你要是用過 Tinder 的話,就知道 1.8 米和 1.83 米還是區別很大的。可憐的小托馬斯,說不定因為身高問題錯過瞭好多艷遇。

[ – ] KryptonianGnome 36 指標 4 小時前

cries in 5'3"

Don't think Tinder or any online dating site is an option at my height, yeah I could try but somehow I feel my success rate isn't going to be high ( or even exist )

身高 1.6 米的人哭暈在廁所。感覺 Tinder 還有其他約會網站不適合我這種身高的人,我還沒試過,不過就算試瞭估計我的成功率也是慘不忍睹。

[ – ] Hiroxis 102 指標 4 小時前

I'm 5'5 and I feel you dude. That's why I gotta rely on my personality, which I also don't have so I just cry myself to sleep at night

我懂你的痛老哥,我身高也才 1.65 米。所以我決定以後要靠我招人喜歡的性格把妹 …… 然而我也並不招人喜歡,別理我讓我自己哭一會兒。

[ – ] EricHangingOut 16 指標 3 小時前

Get rich

很簡單,變成富人就好瞭。

[ – ] Warriorsoarabbus 29 指標 2 小時前

you say that like they haven't also found that taller people tend to be paid more

老哥們我有一個殘忍的事實要告訴你們:調查研究發現,薪水跟身高是正相關的關系。

[ – ] Rocketsyumyumgivemesome 33 指標 4 小時前

Pssst, don't include your height on your tinder profile.

簡單,個人介紹裡不填身高不就好瞭。

[ – ] KryptonianGnome 25 指標 4 小時前

Lose lose situation either way. If I leave height off they'll just find out when you meet up with the girl. List height in profile screens you from just about everyone.

一樣沒用,等你真把妹子約出來見面的時候不就露餡瞭,填上身高起碼能保證你過第一關的篩選。

[ – ] Bullsfaultywalnut 38 指標 3 小時前

Here's what I do and it seems to work: leave my height off my bio since so many girls will see that and automatically reject. When I do match with a girl, I build a rapport and a conversation and when it comes time to ask them out I say something like "in case you were curious or if it's a concern, I'm 5'5."

我來說一下我的對策吧,親測有效:首先別在你的個人檔案上填身高,因為大多數妹子看到以後就自動把你過濾掉瞭。等我跟妹子匹配好瞭開始聊天後,我會用心營造出一種雙方都感覺舒適的聊天氛圍,然後等到真要約妹子出來的時候,我就會說:『如果你真的好奇想知道的話,我身高是 1.65 米』。

Only one girl has ever rejected me after that, all the other ones were cool and I've dated some girls an inch or two taller than me even. If you show them you're a cool worthwhile guy they'll probably be alright with whatever height you are.

隻有一個妹子聽到這個回答以後表示不能接受,拒絕瞭我,其他妹子都表示 OK,而且我還和比我高 3-5 厘米的妹子約會過。其實隻要你能展示出自己是個挺酷的值得相處的人,妹子不會介意你的身高的。

[ Lloyd ] Cavs players are annoyed with Isaiah Thomas ’ shot selection

騎士某些球員對小托馬斯的投籃選擇很不滿。

Jason Lloyd calls Isaiah Thomas a "chucker", also confirms NYDN report that Isaiah Thomas led the charge against Kevin Love, and says Love belittled Thomas last night after a rebound

記者把小托馬斯稱為 " 浪投王 ",並且證實瞭 NYDN 關於此前是小托馬斯在隊內會議上開始質疑樂福的報道,他還報道說昨晚對陣步行者時,樂福在摘下一個籃板後對小托馬斯做出瞭小看的肢體動作。

From The Athletic:

Thomas is a chucker. He takes bad shots. In Boston he was the only viable offensive threat, which apparently gave him a license to shoot wherever and whenever he wanted. But here his shots aren ’ t coming within the rhythm of the offense, yet that hasn ’ t stopped him from shooting. It has — and continues to — aggravate his teammates. Defensively he ’ s abysmal.

文章節選:

小托馬斯是個毒瘤。他的投籃選擇很差,在波士頓的時候他是凱爾特人唯一有效的進攻威脅,那時他擁有無限開火權。但是到瞭騎士以後,他的進攻和騎士的整體進攻節奏是脫節的,就算這樣他還是投個不停,為此騎士的一些隊員開始不爽瞭。防守端就更別提瞭,堪比黑洞的存在。

[ – ] boumtjeboo 955 指標 6 小時前

"Chucker" is one of the great, timeless NBA descriptors.

" 浪投王 ",真是 NBA 百用不厭的經典詞匯之一。

[ – ] [ CLE ] LeBron JamesEvil_Skip_Bayless 86 指標 5 小時前

The best is when he drives in the paint and trys to pass out but can't cuz hes to small. Needs just draw the foul or grt blocked but that shit kills momentum.

騎士球迷:最搞笑的就是小托馬斯突破到禁區後想要分球然而因為太矮瞭傳不出來,要麼僥幸造成犯規要麼就被帽,太傷士氣瞭。

[ – ] [ SAC ] Peja StojakovicJelrahnBrames 75 指標 6 小時前

I was frustrated with Shumpert's shot selection early on

國王球迷:騎士球員對小托馬斯的投籃選擇不滿,而我對香波特的投籃選擇簡直要看絕望瞭。

[ – ] Knicksbrohymn 70 指標 6 小時前

For a guy that can ’ t do much for dick, he really likes taking pull up jumpers off transition. It ’ s a bizarre thing to watch And idk that I ’ ve ever seen Shump make one of those...

尼克斯球迷:香波特吃啥啥不剩幹啥啥不行,然而他卻很喜歡投轉換進攻中的跳投 ……..

[ – ] maxwelloakley 266 指標 6 小時前

yeah he needs to fully get rid of those contested pull up 3s out of his arsenal. like really Isaiah, be patient, spot up, and wait for an open 3 from ya boy LeBron

是啊,小托馬斯應該徹底改掉在防守球員跟前投幹拔三分的習慣。真的,小托馬斯,求你瞭,耐心點,積極跑位找好空位,等著你的哥勒佈朗傳出機會就行瞭。

[ – ] [ CLE ] Larry HughesGoSuckYouMudda 200 指標 6 小時前 *

The worst thing about his shot section is when he ’ s about to shoot but it ’ s contested so he has to make some awkward ass stupid pass.

騎士球迷:他最糟的一點是,每次他想出手投籃的時候,發現面前貼著一個防守人,然後被迫傳出一個爛球。

[ – ] Celiac-DiseaseSucks 44 指標 6 小時前

And twice in the last two games when he does that he passed it straight to the opposing team. I think IT is doing okay, but when he is contested he ’ s gotta chill out and give up the ball.

沒錯,前兩場比賽他已經兩次直接把球傳給對手瞭,總體來講我覺得小托馬斯打得還行,但是有人防守的時候,他需要冷靜下來然後傳球給隊友。

Right now it really is looking like he ’ s trying to make himself look good for the "brinks truck" rather than what ’ s best for the team. When in reality, he ’ s not doing himself any favors.

目前他在比賽中就是一直想扮演孤膽英雄,而不是好好打團隊籃球,這對他其實沒有任何好處。

[ – ] [ DET ] Andre Drummondzemergency 57 指標 6 小時前

yeah he constantly leaves his feet and gets into trouble, it's so hard for the dude to get his shot off cuz he's so short.

活塞球迷:同意,他經常跳起之後做投籃 / 傳球的選擇,並因此陷入麻煩。因為個太矮,小托馬斯真的很難出手得分。

[ – ] Buckssuomesa 773 指標 6 小時前

man you can already tell there are 2 different camps within the CAVs beat writers. And both sides are trying push this divide

現在很明顯能感覺到騎士這些專欄寫手們分成瞭兩派,而且兩邊還都推波助瀾,唯恐天下不亂。

[ – ] WizardsMoralMidgetry 354 指標 6 小時前

It ’ s starting to feel like one of those camps is just writing down their own criticisms of the team and attributing them to "Cavs players."

我感覺騎士的有些寫手純粹是自己對騎士不滿吧,你說你寫騎士的問題就寫唄,非要找騎士球員背鍋,說這是他們對球隊的不滿。

[ – ] PelicansFerrari_322 285 指標 6 小時前

Whats next ? Cavs mad at ITs existence ?

接下來什麼劇情?騎士眾球員無法忍受小托馬斯的存在?

[ – ] CavaliersConnor4Wilson 197 指標 6 小時前

Cavs demand IT wear stilts to make up for height difference

『騎士決定讓小托馬斯踩高蹺比賽以彌補身高不足的問題』。

[ – ] 76ersIsh_but_the_1st_time 448 指標 4 小時前

"Multiple Cavs players have expressed their frustration with the quality of food available in the press box before tip-off"

『多名騎士球員對賽前的食物質量表達強烈不滿』。

[ – ] [ TOR ] Vince CarterNewtGringo 830 指標 5 小時前

belittled

IT be little before that rebound!

哈哈樂福 " 小看 " 小托馬斯?

你知道小托馬斯的這個小字不光跟名宿刺客有關系吧?

[ – ] [ PHI ] Allen Iversonbonerbasketball 227 指標 6 小時前

It ’ s insanely exaggerated

76 人球迷:這事兒被過分誇大瞭吧。

[ – ] [ CLE ] J.R. Smithproblynotkevinbacon 116 指標 6 小時前

It just looked like Kev awkwardly stuck his butt out like he was boxing someone out and they weren't there, not bending over. And they were literally right next to each other, why wouldn't he just hand off to him, he doesn't have to toss it from 1 foot away

騎士球迷:看起來樂福隻是很別扭地撅瞭下屁股而已,似乎是在卡位,不過身邊並沒有人。而且小托馬斯和樂福離得很近好吧,圖片裡那樣手遞手傳給小托馬斯才是合理的選擇吧,扔才有問題呢。

[ – ] IguodalasDelts 84 指標 6 小時前

Yeah I honestly thought he was just being cautious of having the ball stolen in the backcourt. This whole thing is ridiculous.

我覺得這隻是他為瞭防止對手在後場搶斷做的一個保護球動作,對這個事兒的解讀太無聊瞭。

[ – ] [ DAL ] Nick Van Exelnatedeezy_3 49 指標 5 小時前

I think some ppl are blowing that play outta proportion. I don ’ t think there ’ s much of anything there

獨行俠球迷:我覺得這事被別有用心的人過分解讀瞭,實際本來就沒什麼。

[ – ] Spurs6ixLife 5 指標 5 小時前

Love literally bends down then gives the ball to Isaiah, intentionally, and after looking at the video multiple times, Isaiah even laughs right after Love does that. I don't know if that's a laugh of pain or humiliation, or just a thing they do usually off the court as jokes, but Love clearly bent his knee to make himself short and just gives him the ball like a toddler lol

不覺得,樂福傳球的時候確實故意屈膝瞭,而且我看瞭好幾遍視頻以後發現,樂福做完這個動作以後小托馬斯還笑瞭一下。我不知道這笑是苦笑還是尬笑,或者是因為他們場下也經常開類似的玩笑,但是樂福絕對屈膝瞭,顯得他傳球的時候身子矮瞭一截,就像傳球給一個嬰兒一樣。

It's not blown out of proportion, it's all right there. But seems like some of ya'll just can't see shit even with open eyes. That's hilarious

這事沒有被過分解讀,它實實在在地發生瞭,不過你們好像都視而不見一樣,挺滑稽的。

[ – ] yeetingyute 39 指標 5 小時前

I don't understand how people think this is some normal way to give a basketball to someone, lmao. I don't think it was meant as an insult, he's probably just joking around.

我就不懂瞭,為啥有人覺得這是個正常傳球的姿勢。不過我也不覺得這是有意羞辱,可能樂福就是在開玩笑吧。

[ McMenamin ] Isaiah Thomas addresses anyone who could have a problem with his shot selection for the Cavs: "What did you trade me here for? To not shoot?"Beat Writer

[ 麥克曼米恩 ] 小托馬斯關於有人不滿他投籃選擇的回應:" 你們把我交易過來的目的就是讓我不要出手投籃嗎?"

[ – ] Oluminides 462 指標 2 小時前

Problem with Isaiah is if he's not making his shots, he gives you literally nothing else.

問題就在這裡瞭,小托馬斯如果不能在進攻端命中投籃的話,那他基本毫無用處。

[ – ] [ GSW ] Ian Clarkoscarony 59 指標 2 小時前

He doesn ’ t pass the ball?

勇士球迷:難道他不能傳球嗎?

[ – ] Cavaliersskycystl 126 指標 2 小時前

Not much... He's score-first, so if his shots are not falling he'll try to shoot himself out of his slump instead of passing much. He's so bad on D that if his shots are not going in I'd rather play Calderon than him...

不太靠譜,他是個得分優先的球員,所以如果他投不進的話,他會一直投下去直到投進為止,而不是轉而去組織傳球。他防守端太差瞭,如果他投不進球,我寧願讓卡爾德隆上場代替他。

[ – ] PaulAtreidesIsEvil 132 指標 2 小時前

i watched him play last night and i thought his shot selection was fine. he just made bad passes and also was cold.

you have to keep shooting if you're cold and well the bad passes is both him and the team building chemistry.

我昨晚看瞭騎士的比賽,感覺他投籃選擇也沒那麼糟啊,他隻是手感不好,而且傳球也有點爛。球員手感不好的時候,隻有繼續投下去才是出路啊,至於傳球,那就是小托馬斯和球隊在摸索著建立化學反應的問題瞭。

[ – ] CavaliersPanthertron 55 指標 1 小時前

Pull up transition threes are only good shots for like 3 people in the league and IT ain ’ t one of them.

轉換進攻間出手急停三分?全聯盟隻有三個人有能力這樣出手,小托馬斯可不是其中之一。

[ – ] NBAMintastic 27 指標 1 小時前

Is it only 3 people? Because GSW by itself has 3 guys that should shoot transition threes w/ impunity.

隻有三個人嗎?光勇士一個隊就有三個可以這樣投籃而不用擔心受到指責的人吧?

[ – ] CavaliersPanthertron 13 指標 1 小時前

A handful of people basically. My point is IT is not one of them.

唔,其實是好幾個人,我的重點是小托馬斯不是其中之一。

[ – ] Celticsward0630 130 指標 2 小時前

He's right though. What did the Cavs think that IT offered them if not his offense? They need him to get back to IT from last year ( even if that means losing more regular season games ) in order to ostensibly contend for another title.

小托馬斯說的有道理啊,如果不是因為他的進攻能力,騎士幹嗎要交易他回來呢?他們隻是需要小托馬斯恢復上賽季的水準(就算要以輸掉更多常規賽為代價)來至少在紙面上具備再一次沖擊總冠軍的實力。

[ – ] SpursRequelle 85 指標 2 小時前

You aren't beating the GSW with IT as one of your best players. There is just nowhere to hide him without him getting abused.

當小托馬斯是隊中最好的球員之一時,騎士根本不可能贏勇士。小托馬斯防守端的窟窿太大瞭,騎士根本堵不住,勇士水銀瀉地的進攻會從他這個窟窿裡一擁而入的。

[ – ] Thunderunderceeeeej 82 指標 2 小時前

well tbh they only traded for him because they were backed into a corner and had to do the best they could

老實說,如果不是騎士走投無路的話,他們是不會交易來小托馬斯的。

[ – ] Celticskyr0thegreat 41 指標 2 小時前

They didn't trade for you dude, they traded mostly because Kyrie wanted out and they wanted the Nets pick

對,小托馬斯本來就不是騎士交易的目標,他們做這筆交易很大程度上隻是因為歐文想走,而且他們也很口水那個籃網簽。

[ – ] Celtics Bandwagonpsperry1017 85 指標 6 小時前

This is something that I think was overlooked when the trade happened. Isaiahs a shoot first PG in a similar way as Kyrie, but hes not nearly as good at getting his shot off out of nowhere as Kyrie. In boston he was amazing, but scored mostly off DHOs and pick and roll sets designed to get him shots. He's nowhere near the same level as Kyrie as an iso guy or late clock bailout.

I don't blame this issue on Isaiah, I blame it on Cavs coaching for having unrealistic expectations for his offensive role esp. considering the injury. He's not a plug n play offensive dynamo the same way Kyrie is

凱爾特人球迷:我認為這筆交易中有些事實被忽視瞭。小托馬斯和歐文有些相似的地方在於他們都是投籃第一的控衛,但是他創造投籃機會的能力比歐文差太多瞭。是,在凱爾特人的時候他表現得非常驚艷,但那時他的大部分出手機會都來自於球隊設計的手遞手傳球和擋拆戰術。在單打和讀表時刻拯救球方面,他和歐文不是一個級別的。不過這也不能怪小托馬斯,要怪就得怪騎士教練組對他進攻端的表現期望太不切實際瞭,尤其是在他傷病還沒痊愈的情況下,他並不是歐文那樣即插即用的無差別進攻端發電機。

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