[ FiveThirtyEight | by Chris Herring ] The Thunder ’ s Problems Are Fixable: Oklahoma City ’ s big three are struggling like the Heat did when they united Wade, Bosh and James.
雷霆並不是無可救藥的：俄城三巨頭正面臨著熱火三巨頭組建時同樣的問題。
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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-thunders-problems-are-fixable/
[ – ] CelticsC-U-R-R-E-N-T 20 指標 10 小時前
Struggling like Wade, LeBron and Bosh doesn't make them like Wade, LeBron and Bosh.
像熱火三巨頭一樣陷入僵局並不代表他們就能像熱火三巨頭一樣成功。
[ – ] NetsBigbadbuck 50 指標 10 小時前
No, but they have a top 5 defense and westbrook is playing like trash. If/when he picks it up this team will show its potential. They also have a good net rating and have some tough close losses. Theyve been playing better than their record suggests.
是不能。但是即使威少現在打的很爛他們仍有著聯盟前五的防守。當威少找回狀態的時候雷霆就能夠發揮出應有的實力。雖然有一些惜敗，但雷霆的總評還不錯。他們實際上打得比數據看起來的要好不少。
[ – ] hebelehoo 7 指標 7 小時前
The thing is, they don't have an authority figure like Pat Riley ( I named him because of the analogy, you can say Carlisle, Popovich or even Larry Brown ) . Presti isn't that guy, unfortunately for them. "Let Westbrook be Westbrook" experiment ended with him winning the Mvp but it should be shelved obviously. He is actually a lot better in this regard but still not enough. He is especially horrible on defense.
Heat began to find its identity when those two things happened: First, Bosh moved to 5 and they were playing virtually 5-out. Second, Wade finally realized that he should defer to Lebron. Bosh didn't even need to defer because he embraced his role perfectly.
In OKC's case, I think Melo should defer to George and Westbrook. It's telling that he literally laughed at the idea of being benched.
關鍵是他們並沒有像帕特萊利一樣的核心人物（我隻是為瞭和熱火對比才說萊利，你也可以想成裡克 - 卡萊爾，波波維奇或者拉裡 - 佈朗）。很不幸，普雷斯蒂並不能成為他們的核心。" 讓威少打得像威少 " 的計劃隨著他拿下 MVP 而告一段落，但很明顯這個計劃已經行不通瞭。事實上他在這個戰術中打得比想象的要好得多，但仍不能帶球隊走向成功。尤其是他的防守還很糟糕。
而熱火成功的關鍵則有兩點：一是將波什放到中鋒並把全隊五個人都拉到外線打，二是韋德終於意識到應該讓勒佈朗來主導，而波什也完美地找到瞭自己的新角色。
反觀雷霆，我個人覺得甜瓜應該讓泡椒和威少主導。之前有記者拋出過打替補這個想法，而甜瓜當時直接嗤之以鼻、笑瞭出來，其實挺能說明問題的。
[ – ] KnicksE-Miles 658 指標 10 小時前
Very simple summary:
1. Net rating suggests that the team is better than their record
2. Their elite defense is a surprise and bodes well for them moving forward
3. The team struggles defensively as the game winds on because their bench can't switch the same way their starters can
4. The team struggles to score in the 4th because teams completely ignore Roberson
5. Some of their offensive struggles should balance out as some players are shooting way worse than expected
6. Donovan has shown flashes of implementing effective plays for their big 3
簡單總結一下原文的內容：
1. 總評分說明瞭雷霆比數據上看起來打得要更好
2. 他們精英級的防守很令人驚喜，也預示瞭他們能夠走得更遠
3. 雷霆在逆境中防守端總是表現得很掙紮，是因為他們的替補陣容並不具備首發的換防能力
4. 雷霆在第四節總是進攻表現不佳是因為羅伯森總是被防守球員完全無視瞭
5. 雷霆在日後會爬出進攻的泥潭，因為就現在來說，一些雷霆球員的投籃要遠遠低於預期水平。
6. 多諾萬有時總能為他們的三巨頭安排出高效的戰術
[ – ] Knicksbrandnameb 111 指標 10 小時前
4 is the only issue that really matters. He can't be on the court late in games. They should sub him for Abrines/Grant.
你這隻有第四條是雷霆真正面臨的問題。羅伯森在比賽後期不應該留在場上。他們應該讓阿夫裡內斯或者格蘭特替補上場。
[ – ] NBAurfaselol [ S ] 62 指標 10 小時前
The roberson point is interesting because that's what people have been saying the entire time he's been a thunder. How open he was in that video against the clippers was really telling. I think once they replace roberson with patterson/Abrines, it will help spacing in the fourth
這一點很有意思，從羅伯森加盟雷霆以來人們就一直在這麼說。在對快船的比賽裡我們也能看到他被放空瞭多少。我覺得在第四節用帕特森或者阿夫裡內斯替補羅伯森上場能夠幫助球隊拉開空間。
[ – ] cauchyco 17 指標 7 小時前
I agree with that. Patterson could easily play the 4 like Taj Gibson did. And he will help with rebounding.
我也同意。帕特森可以很輕松地打出泰 - 吉佈森的效果，而且他也能提升球隊的籃板能力。
[ – ] ThunderJD0797 10 指標 6 小時前
The problem is though, Melo can't play the 3 on D against elite teams.
但問題是，甜瓜在面對強隊時並不能防小前鋒。
[ – ] HornetsFRANCOJAMESRiFFRAFF -2 指標 9 小時前
I feel like roberson could play in those situations, if there was a little bit of offball movement, since he's somewhat a threat inside
我覺得羅伯森在這種情況下還是可以上場的。畢竟如果有無球跑動他也算是有內線威脅的瞭。
[ – ] ThunderDevastationandReform 28 指標 8 小時前
This is simply not true. Roberson is as effective inside as you or I would be ( if we had the athletic ability/size to be in the NBA ) . He can score wide open uncontested lay ups and has enough athleticism to go for a dunk/oop if it's open. Literally like 90% of the NBA can do that. Unfortunately there are five + massive issues with Roberson that people Thunder fans want to ignore with him.
1. ) He has below average hands. He's blown at least 10 plays off the top of my head where he would have a wide open or lightly contested lay up because he couldn't catch the ball and establish himself.
但這其實是錯的。羅伯森在內線的效率就跟我或你一樣（如果我們能有足夠的身體天賦進入 NBA 的話）。他可以在沒有壓力的大空位下上籃得分，也有足夠的運動能力在空位時完成灌籃 / 空接，就像 90% 以上的 NBA 球員都能做到的一樣。但雷蜜們總是會忽略羅伯森身上的六個重大問題。
1. ) 他的手活太差。就我現在能想到的，他至少搞砸瞭十個沒有防守壓力的空位上籃，僅僅是因為他沒辦法完全抓住球並完成上籃。
2. ) He has below average handles and driving skills. You can somewhat remedy the hands issue if you can get the ball and put it on the court and drive it to the hoop. Roberson struggles to do this without turning the ball over or being forced to pick it up and pass out of it.
3. ) He just down right sucks ass at contact when he somehow does manage to drive or catch the ball. He struggles to finish through contact and more alarmingly struggles to even attempt to go up and try to finish through contact. Some of that is because he's terrified to go to the line and some of that is because he might be the dumbest offensive player in the league. His offensive IQ is either non-existent or he is so fucking mentally soft that it cancels out any IQ he has.
2. ) 他的控球技術和突破能力也在平均水平以下。或許，接到球後直接運球突破能彌補他技術上的不足，但是羅伯森總是很難做到這點，他要麼就是失誤要麼就是被迫停球和傳球。
3. ) 就算他真的控住瞭球突進瞭禁區，防守球員上點身體對抗他就要玩完。他在身體對抗下很難完成上籃，更可怕的是，他甚至都很難起跳做出進攻意圖。部分原因在於他對罰球線的恐懼，另一部分原因就在於他可能是全聯盟最蠢的進攻球員。他在進攻端的球商要麼根本不存在，要麼就是他太軟瞭，抵消瞭他僅剩的那點球商。
4. ) Freethrows. You can't play in crunch time if the game is close if you can be hacked off the floor. I'm not going anymore into this other than he's fucking awful as a FT shooter.
4. ) 罰球。要是一個球員罰球爛到瞭會被對方砍的地步，那麼這個球員關鍵時刻就根本上不瞭場。羅伯森的罰球啥樣大傢都知道我也就沒什麼必要細分析瞭，就一句話，他的罰球爛到傢瞭。
5. ) He struggles to make decisions or be aggressive. Again this goes back to him either being retarded with his offensive IQ or just being a, I hate that I'm using this word, pussy. Like he's the stereotypical dude at the Y who just freezes every time he touches the ball. Which cannot happen because it tanks the offense. ISO ball is the best offense we can run. Period.
5. ) 他侵略性不足，作出判斷的時候顯得猶豫不決。這又回到瞭他要麼沒有球商要麼就是個軟蛋（我很不想用這個詞）的話題上。小時候打籃球見過那種拿到球就會靜止不動的人嗎？羅伯森就是那種人。這完全讓雷霆的進攻陷入瞭停滯，不可接受。現在拉開單打是雷霆最好的戰術，足夠說明問題瞭。
And the only fucking reason that makes that statement true is because Roberson has reverse gravity. We can't run any other offensive scheme because offenses require players to be able to react and read defenses and also make plays. If the ball gets rotated to you and you freeze or fail to do anything with other than pass it back to Westbrook because you're too scared to do anything it ruins that possession. I've watched it happen way too many fucking times with it.
這完全是因為羅伯森簡直自帶反重力！隻有球員能夠及時反應與閱讀防守的時候我們才可能跑出戰術。如果球傳給羅伯森，他也隻會打鐵或者因為害怕自己打鐵而傳回給威少而已。這種場景我看得實在太多瞭！
6. ) Roberson's defense is greatly over exaggerated this season. He's may be our fourth best defensive player. Adams is much more important because he gives us rim protection. Paul George has been fucking phenomenal this season on that side. I think you could make, a losing one mind you, argument about how Jerami impacts the defense more as well but nevertheless Roberson's defense has not been good enough to justify him being out there this season.
I could go on for another twenty-thousand words about how ass Roberson is and how he wouldn't be in the NBA if not for Presti giving him the worst contract we've ever given someone in since the Thunder's inception. And yes that's including Perkins, Singler, and Kanter.
6. ) 羅伯森這賽季的防守被誇大瞭。他的防守在雷霆可能也就排第四吧。亞當斯比他的防守存在感高，因為他提供瞭護筐。泡椒今年在防守端的表現是現象級的。我覺得你甚至可以說格蘭特對球隊防守的表現都要更重要，不過這個論據可能不太準確。但不論怎麼說，羅伯森這賽季的防守還沒牛逼到要把他放在場上拖累進攻的程度。
我甚至還能在寫個兩千字小論文來告訴你們羅伯森究竟有多菜，要不是普雷斯蒂給他簽下瞭雷霆史上最不值的合同，他都不可能進 NBA。這合同比帕金斯，辛格勒和坎特的合同還差。
[ – ] jthc 18 指標 8 小時前
I really can ’ t believe people are freaking out so early in the season. It ’ s really rare for a team to add a major piece and click right out of the gate. OKC added two. Wait until the all-star break. By then we should have a better idea of their quality.
我真不敢相信怎麼大傢賽季初就被嚇尿瞭。一支球隊能在剛改變自己的核心陣容的時候就打出來真的很少見，而雷霆換瞭倆。我覺得等全明星周末我們就能看到雷霆到底是怎樣的球隊瞭。
[ – ] TimberwolvesTdotGdot 6 指標 6 小時前
Net rating suggests that the team is better than their record
This is big. I've heard some of the nerd NBA writers ( and I mean that affectionately ) mention that a bit, but it hasn't really gotten out much. Real solid net rating, which suggests they should actually be 10-6. Basically, we could call them being 7-9 "bad luck".
Now, maybe there are some semi-legit reasons why they are underperforming their point differential, like perhaps a poor crunch time offense. But even if you believe that to a small extent, they are definitely due to regress back to the ~50 win team that their net rating suggests.
I think it's interesting to talk about Russ, and how poorly he is playing. But in reality drawing the parallel between his struggles and the Thunder's 7-9 record is probably a false correlation. They are going to start winning a lot, even if Russ continues to play as he is.
" 總評分說明瞭雷霆比數據上看起來打得要更好 "
這點很重要。我聽過有些書呆子 NBA 作傢（這是我對他們的愛稱，沒有貶低的意思）提到這些，但這沒有得到人們的足夠重視。他們總評確實很高，從評分來看雷霆就應該是一支十勝六負的球隊。所以他們現在隻有 7-9 或許可以歸結為運氣問題。
可能是有一些跟運氣同等正當的原因導致瞭雷霆低迷的表現，比如關鍵時刻的進攻。但是如果你將雷霆現在的糟糕表現歸結到那些因素的話，那雷霆現在的總評分也不會達到 50 勝球隊的水平。
我覺得威少現在的低迷表現也是很重要的一點。但以此來解釋雷霆隻取得瞭 7-9 的戰績肯定是錯的。即使威少繼續打成這樣，雷霆也會開始贏更多的比賽瞭。
[ – ] KnicksJimm120 42 指標 8 小時前
Liked this part of the post:
Anthony shoots far worse when playing with either George or Westbrook;
Westbrook shoots considerably worse with George and slightly worse with Anthony;
George shoots slightly better when playing with either one of his teammates.
喜歡原文的這部分內容：
安東尼在搭配泡椒或威少出場時投籃表現更差；
威少的投射遠差於安東尼，略差於泡椒；
泡椒跟這兩人中的任意一個搭配都會稍微提升一下他的表現。
[ – ] BullsFire_Gar_pax 27 指標 5 小時前
That's because George is the only good off ball player of the three so he takes advantage of having great talent on the floor with him the most
因為這三個哥們裡隻有泡椒是一個能打無球的人啊，所以他最能發揮出他的全部實力。
[ – ] CelticsWKWA 3 指標 10 小時前
Ideally it would be a two season project, but I doubt that happens because of George's free agency. Either way, I sure as shit wouldn't want to see OKC in the first round if their record doesn't end up being that great.
凱爾特人球迷：理想情況是他們能夠在兩個賽季內完成磨合，但是由於泡椒下賽季就是自由球員瞭，兩個賽季的工程是不太可能瞭。不管怎樣，就算雷霆的最終戰績不太理想，西部上半區的球隊也不願意在第一輪就面對雷霆吧。
