When winning game 1, Kobe Bryant's series record : 28-0
科比曾經二十八次在季後賽系列賽首戰拿到開門紅，而這二十八個系列賽的最終勝利也毫無例外地被科比收入囊中。
[ – ] RaptorsDeArmani_DeBooker 527 指標 12 小時前
Isn't this true for all Phil Jackson coached teams?
菲爾 - 傑克遜所執教過所有球隊都是這樣吧？
[ – ] Celticsthatssometrainshit 497 指標 12 小時前
A Phil Jackson-coached team has never lost a series after winning the first game.
Kobe had four playoff series wins in the three seasons before Jackson came to LA. Jackson had 28 playoff series wins before joining the Lakers.
禪師手下的球隊在 1：0 領先的情況下沒有輸掉過任何一個系列賽。
科比在禪師執掌湖人之前打過三個賽季的季後賽，總共拿下 4 次季後賽系列賽的勝利。
而禪師在接過湖人教鞭前總共贏下瞭二十八個系列賽。
[ – ] IAmHereToBeFair 231 指標 9 小時前
GOAT coach.
Don't kill me, Spurs fans.
史上最佳教練。
刺蜜們，請收起你們四十米長的大刀。
[ – ] Spursharoldbaals 39 指標 7 小時前
I love Pop but Phil was so dominant in the time he was coaching.
馬刺球迷：我愛波波老爺子，但禪師執教的時候是真有統治力啊。。
[ – ] Romi49 [ S ] 149 指標 9 小時前
I like Phil more but Pop is goat
我喜歡禪師，但波波是史上最佳教練。
[ – ] LakersUsefZ 247 指標 9 小時前
Recency bias
湖人球迷：大兄弟你這是近期偏好啊。 [ 譯註 1 ]
[ 譯註 1 ] 近期偏好是認知心理學和行為金融學中的一個重要概念，它是指某件事越是最近發生過，越容易被重視或被判定為高發生概率。在體育領域則指活躍在人們視線中的運動員和球隊會被一定程度的高估。
[ – ] CavaliersLargeTeethHere 161 指標 8 小時前
Phil had the greatest player on the planet on his teams Everytime he won. If he didn't, we don't know what would happen. Pop has not had the best player in the world. And he's done magnificent.
禪師每次奪冠的時候麾下都有聯盟第一人。如果不是這樣的話，他能拿到什麼成績還真不好說啊。波波奪冠的時候則沒有聯盟第一人，但他卻幹出瞭一番天地。
[ – ] IAmHereToBeFair 173 指標 8 小時前 *
Though it's interesting to note that none of those players won anything before they had Phil as a coach. In fact, amongst Kobe/Shaq/MJ combined 15 rings, only one was won without Phil. Shaq with the Heat in 2006.
然而我發現瞭一個有趣的事情：這些最強球員在菲爾來執教他們之前從未贏下過任何一個系列賽。但事實上科比、沙克、喬丹加起來一共贏下過 15 個總冠軍，其中隻有奧尼爾在熱火的那次奪冠沒禪師的事。
[ – ] [ LAL ] Sasha Vujacicimadogg 126 指標 8 小時前
Pop > Phil because Phil had the best players is such a bad excuse. Phil won with MJ/Pip, Shaq/Kobe, and Kobe/Pau teams. Pop won with Duncan/Robinson, Duncan/TP/Manu, and Kawhi/Duncan/TP/Manu teams... he literally had one of the greatest ever for all 5 titles.
湖人球迷：波波比禪師強是因為禪師擁有最好的球員？這個理由也太遜瞭。禪師先後靠喬丹 + 皮蓬，沙克 + 科比，科比 + 大加索爾的組合奪冠；波波則是靠鄧肯 + 羅賓遜、鄧肯 + 帕克 + 吉諾比利、倫納德 + 鄧肯 + 帕克 + 吉諾比利的組合 … 波波奪冠的每一次都有史上最佳球員之一坐陣啊！
[ – ] SunsInternetologist 105 指標 7 小時前
Seriously! People acting like Pop didn't have the GOAT PF most of his career
太陽球迷：太對瞭！大傢搞得好像波波執教生涯的大部分時間沒有史上最佳大前的鼎力協助一樣呢。
[ – ] [ LAL ] Kobe Bryantdakak36 22 指標 7 小時前
Every coach has to have talent. No one in the history of the NBA wins without top players, it ’ s a players ’ league.
湖人球迷：每位教練手上都要有天才球員才行啊。縱觀歷史長河，沒有一位總冠軍教頭的手下沒有頂尖球員，NBA 歸根結底還是球員主導。
What I use to measure a coach ’ s effectiveness is whether or not his teams over or underperform. And with Phil, the ‘ 03 loss to the Spurs, ‘ 04 Finals loss and ‘ 08 Finals loss are the only series you can argue his team underperformed, and even those are iffy. With Pop, the Spurs have lost plenty of times when they shouldn ’ t have ( ‘ 04, ‘ 13, ‘ 15 to name a few ) .
我用來評定一位教練水平的方法是：看他的球隊是否 " 超常 " 或者 " 失常 " 發揮。禪師執教的湖人在 2003 年季後賽第二輪輸給馬刺、2004 年總決賽輸給活塞、2008 年總決賽輸給凱爾特人，隻有這三次系列賽，你可以說是他的球隊發揮失常，而且就連這三次你都不能拍胸脯說確實是這樣。至於波波，他執教的馬刺已經輸掉瞭太多本該贏下的系列賽（比如 2004 年止步分區半決賽，2013 年總決賽失利，2015 年止步分區半決賽）。
Another huge aspect of coaching in the NBA is motivation. Everybody talks about the lull a team feels after winning a title. It takes great coaching to keep a team, no matter how good, motivated to keep winning when they ’ ve won already. Phil is obviously amazing at that while Pop ’ s teams have never once gone back to back, for example losing coming off a title to lose in the first round in 2015. I think there are many examples where Pop ’ s teams have been good enough to win a title and haven ’ t.
還有一項對於在 NBA 執教非常重要的因素就是 " 進取心 "。每個人都說，贏下總冠軍之後，球隊就會掉以輕心。所以這很大程度上需要教練的指導來幫助一個已經贏下總冠軍的隊伍依然保有進取心和饑餓感（不論這隻球隊有多厲害）。很明顯在這一點上菲爾做得尤為讓人驚嘆，相比之下波波的球隊從未衛冕成功過，比如 2014 年奪冠但 2015 年止步季後賽首輪。我認為還有很多例子都能證明波波的球隊具備奪冠實力但最終未能奪冠。
I also think Phil was better at handling difficult players. From Rodman to Metta, Phil ’ s coached some of the NBA ’ s most uncoachable players to success. Heck even MJ, Shaq & Kobe are huge personalities that just want to be the top dog, getting those guys to buy into a team first system like the triangle is insane ( with the Bulls, Phil used to tell the players "we run this offense for you, not for him" pointing back at MJ ) .
還有，我認為菲爾在執教刺頭球員時做得更好。從羅德曼到慈世平，菲爾帶著這些 NBA 史上最不可執教的球員走向成功。甚至連喬丹，沙克，科比這三個大佬都有著極強的個性，隻想自己做老大。能讓這些球員對球隊為先的體系（比如三角進攻）買賬就已經很瘋狂瞭（菲爾在公牛時期曾對著球員們說：" 打這個進攻戰術是為瞭你們，而不是為他。"，然後指瞭指喬丹）。
Meanwhile Pop ’ s coached the most congenial, coachable players ever in Robinson, TD, Manu, Parker and Kawhi. While you might argue those personalities are products of his coaching, and it ’ s hard to argue in the cases of the players who ’ ve had him their whole career, Robinson was that way long before Pop came along. Pop also had tons of trouble with more difficult guys like T Mac, Robert Horry and Richard Jefferson.
於此同時，波波執教的是跟他性格最契合、最容易執教的球員，包括羅賓遜，鄧肯，吉諾比利，帕克和倫納德。不過好多波波執教的球員都終老馬刺，所以你也很難說是先有雞還是先有蛋，但是上將在波波到來之前就是那樣的個性瞭。而且波波在處理和刺頭球員的關系時遇到瞭成噸的問題，比如麥迪、羅伯特 - 霍裡還有理查德 - 傑弗森。
[ – ] LakersJaggedSuplex 14 指標 7 小時前
Or 2011, when the #1 seed Spurs lost to the #8 seed Grizzlies in the first round
湖人球迷：要不再加上這個：2011 年，馬刺在首輪被灰熊黑八。
[ – ] LakersOneRiotTooMany 33 指標 8 小時前 *
Yeah, he just had the GOAT PF and two of the most skilled European guards of all time. Oh, and then he got one of the best two-way perimeter player this side of MJ. I know Pop does great at making the most out of his role players, but I find this whole 'did more with less' idea a bit foolish.
湖人球迷：同意，波波隻不過麾下有史上最強大前鋒和兩個技巧最好的歐洲後衛罷瞭。噢噢，然後他又擁有瞭喬丹之後攻防都很好的外線球員之一。我承認，波波能把角色球員用出花來，但我發現這種 " 用最少資源幹最多事 " 的理論有點石樂智。
EDIT; There I go making the ole 'Manu is European' mistake...
編輯：哎你看我這一頓操作猛如虎，又犯瞭吉諾比利是歐洲人的錯誤。
[ – ] NetsBurgerburgerfred 9 指標 8 小時前
I don't think so.
Pop consistently did more with less.
Phil did a lot, but it took a lot for him to do it as well. He obviously has had nearly unprecedented success, but doing it with absolutely ridiculous combinations of players imo isn't as impressive as what Pop does on a day to day basis with his second units coaching them up to beat most teams starting lineups.
不敢 fnk 同。
波波其實一直都在用最少的資源幹最多的事。
菲爾做瞭很多，但是他奪冠的要求可不低。他的確獲得瞭幾乎史無前例的成功，但他是通過極其不可思議的球員組合來獲得瞭這樣的成功。在我看來這並沒有波波更令人印象深刻，因為波波所做的是日積月累的訓練，發掘球隊第二陣容的潛力並逐漸將他們打造成瞭可以戰勝大部分球隊首發陣容的軍隊。
Or a season like this one where his best player is out all year and the Spurs are competitive in EVERY game they play and are still strong contenders out West. Obviously not up there with the best of the best but they are damn good.
或者看看本賽季，他麾下最好的球員一直傷停，但他們依然在每一場比賽裡都充滿瞭競爭性，而且依舊是沖出西部的有力競爭者。雖然不是尖子裡的尖子，但他們也特麼強得一批。
It's something I don't think Phil could have done. He was really good at working with what he had but I don't think he ever did more than he was supposed to with the talent that was on the teams he coached.
這就是我認為菲爾所達不到的層次。手裡的食材很好時，禪師自然能做出一桌好菜，但是考慮到食材的質量，他的廚藝也沒有多麼令人耳目一新。
[ – ] [ DET ] Chauncey BillupsYROK1986 160 指標 9 小時前
Pistons fan here to point out that Kobe lost game 1 of the 2004 Finals.
活塞球迷：科比在 2004 年總決賽第一場輸給我們瞭呦。
[ – ] CavaliersMrKalyoncu 961 指標 12 小時前
When winning 4 games, LeBron James' series record: 33-0
騎士球迷：當贏下系列賽裡的其中 4 場比賽時，我詹的紀錄是三十三個系列賽全部拿下。
[ – ] Romi49 [ S ] 436 指標 12 小時前
When winning 4 games, Kobe Bryant's series record: 33-0
當贏下系列賽裡的其中 4 場比賽時，科比的記錄恰好也是三十三個系列賽全部拿下
[ – ] Raptorskiteleven 285 指標 10 小時前
I personally have never lost a game one, or a playoff series.
就我個人而言，我是從來沒有輸過系列賽第一場，我也沒有輸過任何一個系列賽！
[ – ] Mavericksfcbayernmuenchen 135 指標 9 小時前
UNDEFEATED. NEVA LOST.
我看樓上的口氣你是從未嘗敗績的球爹啊？
[ – ] [ LAL ] Kobe BryantNotARealPenguinToday 208 指標 10 小時前
To be fair Kobe has an awful record of 0-something in series where he averaged 4 losses.
湖人球迷：郵局港劇，當科比平均在每個系列賽裡輸掉 4 場時，他的紀錄還蠻糟糕的，0 勝 XX 負吧。
[ – ] Mavericks Bandwagonaprioripopsiclerape 14 指標 6 小時前
Dirk vs Kobe in playoffs: 4-0. I know, I know, let me have this.
獨行俠球迷：司機 vs 科比季後賽紀錄：大比分 4 比 0。哎呀呀，就讓我爽這一次嘛。
[ – ] LakersKingSol24 10 指標 4 小時前
If there's one guy I don't mind having a sweep over Kobe it's Dirk. Dude has always given props to the Mamba and he's a lovable hilarious German SOB.
湖人球迷：如果非要說一個在季後賽橫掃過我科還讓我內心毫無波動的球員，那一定是德克瞭。他總是給科比贊美，而且他還是個討人愛的德國老司機。
[ – ] TimberwolvesTB7_aka_StopNPop 3 指標 12 小時前
seems kind of like a pointless stat. Wouldn ’ t overall won-loss record be more meaningful?
但這看上去像是一組沒啥實際意義的數據呀，咱查查綜合勝負紀錄不是更有意思嗎？
[ – ] Lakersassistanmanager 17 指標 12 小時前
What's pointless about it?
湖人球迷：為什麼沒意義呢？
[ – ] TimberwolvesTB7_aka_StopNPop 23 指標 12 小時前
because for those series when the LAkers lost game 1, the results of those series were just as important.
因為你湖輸掉第一場的這些系列賽，其結果同樣重要呀。
